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Britjet

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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:27 »
BA is 300+ packs off. Different airlines do it different ways, though.
The cabin is very slow to climb even with the packs off, so it isn't really an issue.
It saves messing about with isolation valves...
"Packs off" will generally increase TOPL by about 2 tonnes.


With regard to #4 AUX pump being switched ON.
You never pressurise a hydraulic system without ground clearance. ( because of gear doors, flaps, flight controls etc). There is quite enough pressure in the brake accumulator to maintain the park brake, and on most departures the aircraft is chocked anyway..
Leave it until the before start procedure...

Peter.
« Last edit: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:43 by Britjet »

John H Watson

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:30 »
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The second point regards the AC packs: I don't think takeoffs are ever performed with all the packs off, at least not in my memory.


My old airline in recent times started doing no pack takeoffs for all flights.

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The accumulator itself was not designed to stop the airplane. While there may be some pressure left, it may not be enough to keep the airplane from rolling once the chocks (or tug) are removed..


It's hard to know where to draw the line on levels of safety., but as a former ground engineer, I would never blame the pilot for letting the plane roll away. Either the chocks should be in or the tug attached to the nose (engine running and driver in his seat). Engineers give the pilot the signal to release the brakes, except on freighters where the brakes aren't parked anyway (as it can interfere with the Weight & Balance System). As Britjet says, you can't just turn on pumps without getting clearance. Control surfaces will move.

Rgds
JHW

double-alpha

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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:10 »
Hi and thank you for your remarks.
However, I can’t comply with all airlines SOP, so I leave PACKS and HYD DEM PUMP unchanged if you don’t mind (anyway, you can add your own modifications according to your airline SOP directly from the docx file below…).

Docx file :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bik6juircxfoho1/747_sop2.docx?dl=0


I checked my FCOM : Hyd demand pump 4 selector to OFF until before engines start.

Waiting for further remarks thank you… It is not easy to notice mistakes alone!

Regards

Adrien
« Last edit: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:11 by Double-alpha »

Balt

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:16 »
Well, I've been out of the loop for far too long apparently, disregard my suggestions! :-)

Cheers

- Balt

Dennis B

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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:44 »
Hey AA,

great contribution! Actually working through your SOP v3. The only thing that I am missing so far is page numbering ... Maybe you could be so kind and upload the PDF with page numbering that refers to the table of contents - that would be great!

Another suggestion would be to upload the "raw" file in a more common format; I'd appreciate an .odf file (Open document format). As far as I know MS Word can im- and export this file type, too. And users of OpenOffice / LibreOffice and so on would be able to better use the document (it can be imported in AbiWord and OO but has some formatting glitches).

Cheers
Dennis

double-alpha

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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 27 May 2015 16:31 »
Hi dennis

You re welcome.
I am going to see this later... (Busy right now!!)
Check your post about your COMM panel, I noticed something maybe wrong...

Regards

Adrien

double-alpha

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 29 May 2015 06:11 »
Hello,

New update (version 4) :

PDF :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sul16rsgfuxar8v/747_sop4.pdf?dl=0

DOCX :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c8xyer0wr8mae7x/747_sop4.docx?dl=0

ODT :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fkh4o65r9e01o0s/747_sop4.odt?dl=0


-PDF with page numbering now...
-new chapter about AFDS modes
-minor modifications



Regards

Adrien
« Last edit: Fri, 29 May 2015 06:16 by Double-alpha »

B747-400

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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 31 May 2015 08:36 »
Thanks!  8)
BR Hans
Hans G. Schuetz
http://B747-400.net

double-alpha

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:46 »
you re welcome!

Adrien

Kabbers

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:11 »
Thanks Adrien, it's really helping me and so well put together!
cheers Kabbers

double-alpha

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« Reply #50 on: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:05 »
Thank you Kabbers, and enjoy your flights. :P

Cheers

Adrien

Magoo

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:29 »
Nice work!

double-alpha

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:00 »
Thank you Magoo

Adrien

double-alpha

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 07:11 »
Hello,

New update (version 5, 29/11/2015) :

PDF :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x77wubh3r8ramub/747_SOP5.pdf?dl=0

DOCX :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cufqwosfqv3t4qq/747_SOP5.docx?dl=0


-minor modifications (I tried to get closer to latest Boeing SOPs)
-new Boeing CHecklists



Regards

Adrien

Frans Spruit

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:00 »
Hi Adrien,

Thank you for nr5. Pictures en words work the best for me  :-\

Frans Spruit

double-alpha

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:29 »
Thank you Frans Spruit.

This new version (1.5) complies now better with recent Boeing FCOM (however I simplified and reorganized some items to make it more convenient  :D).

The previous versions were on purpose a “mixture” of Boeing FCOM (old and new) and Official Aerowinx Manual (from DLH procedures I guess).
The mix was not a good idea : contrary to what I thought at first, the result was not very clear…  :(

I gave it a cleanup and tried to remove all confusing items.

I added all normal Boeing Check-lists : I suggest you to download Boeing Copilot files by Sylvain Coolsaet :

http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=3094.0

I kept Sarah BAW check-lists (because as Sylvain says : Boeing checklist are much more compact than the ones some airlines are using).


Best regards.
Adrien.

double-alpha

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 03:42 »
Hello,

New update (version 1.6, 18/12/2015) :

The 747-400 fuel system is complex : I added a new chapter (FUEL OPERATION SYSTEM - have a look page 36)

+ minor modifications


PDF :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76570297/PSX/747_SOP6.pdf

DOCX :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76570297/PSX/747_SOP6.docx

Enjoy your virtual flights!

Regards

Adrien

Avi

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:19 »
Hi,

I have minor remarks.
• The FSMC closes crossfeed valves 2 and 3 (before takeoff) only when the aircraft is on the ground and the flaps are at takeoff position (10 or 20) for 40 sec.
• You ignored the AUX tank.

You also may want to mention pilots may get >FUEL LOW CTR L/R or >FUEL LO STAB L/R during step climb (pitch >5°) and after leveling off the >FUEL OVD CTR L/R and >FUEL PMP STB L/R messages (to switch them back ON).

Cheers,
Avi Adin
LLBG

double-alpha

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:41 »
Hi Avi,

Thank you for your remarks,

I ignored the AUX tank, but this is intentional :  I use CF6 engines, non ER aircraft, anti-ice with auto ... it would be too complicated to take into account every aircraft specific (KG/pounds   -   CF6/RB211/PW -  engine autostart : one main control or 4 individual controls, etc  ...)

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The FSMC closes crossfeed valves 2 and 3 (before takeoff) only when the aircraft is on the ground and the flaps are at takeoff position (10 or 20) for 40 sec.
I changed the presentation thank you again

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You also may want to mention pilots may get >FUEL LOW CTR L/R or >FUEL LO STAB L/R during step climb (pitch >5°) and after leveling off the >FUEL OVD CTR L/R and >FUEL PMP STB L/R messages (to switch them back ON)
I added a paragraph

New update (version 1.7, 19/12/2015)

PDF :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76570297/PSX/747_SOP7.pdf

DOCX :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76570297/PSX/747_SOP7.docx


Best regards !

Wardie

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Re: PDF SOP 747-400
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:14 »
Hi Double-alpha, thanks a million for such an informative doc! Please would you post your personal layout file for your panel placements - they are the best I have seen so far and would like to use them if you do not mind. Thanks in advance!