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MAX ALT (& some OPT) ALT

Started by simonijs, Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:30

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simonijs

Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:30
Hi Hardy,

On every single flight, for each individual aircraft mass OPT ALT is showing consistent numbers. For instance, at 300 Metric Tons [MT] OPT ALT shows FL353.
This is not the case for MAX ALT where I have seen different numbers at same aircraft masses. At 300 MT, it showed FL377 or FL381 or FL385. On most of my recent flights (but not on all...) and within specific boundaries MAX ALT indications are alternating between two values or seem to "hang" at one value.

This is what I've seen (situation file is added below):

-   At high aircraft masses MAX ALT steadily increases with fuel burn
-   At approximately 370 MT, indication of MAX ALT starts to "hang" at around FL339-340 until approximately 361 MT (unusual compared to the increase of MAX ALT with fuel burn > 370 MT)
-   MAX ALT indications then start to increase again normally until the aircraft mass has reduced to approximately 340 MT; MAX ALT shows ± FL357 at this weight
-   Between ± 340 MT and ± 300 MT (on at least five flights with temperatures above ISA), MAX ALT starts to alternate between two values, for instance: FL354 & FL357 (on one flight) or FL348 & FL355 (on another flight). Temperatures during flight of the situation file at around 340 MT: ISA + 6 C. Frequency is about twice per minute on average – so no pin-ball machine behaviour.
-   Indications start to stabilize at one value of MAX ALT again at a mass of ± 300 MT; indications then are either ± FL381 or ± FL386.
-   When the indications stabilize at the lower value, it will "jump" to the higher value at ± 290 MT (from ± FL386 to ± FL392 at this weight) and continue to show a steady increase from there.
-   On yesterday's flight, however, with temperatures below ISA, this alternating between two values was only briefly seen at ± 304 MT. Could temperature possibly trigger this behaviour?

With respect to OPT ALT:
When the aircraft is at a specific distance from Top of Descent, and OPT ALT is above the current cruising level, the value for OPT ALT starts to roll back. The distance at which this occurs, seems to be altitude related:

-   When OPT ALT is showing FL397 while cruising at FL390, RECMD FL390, then with ± 60 NM to T/D, the value for OPT ALT reduces to FL390
-   When OPT ALT is showing FL378 while cruising at FL370, RECMD FL370, then with ± 40 NM to T/D, the value for OPT ALT reduces to FL370
-   When OPT ALT is showing FL357, while cruising at FL360, RECMD FL360, OPT ALT will not change.

I could not find any reference in the manuals for this.

Kind regards,
Simon


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CduRteLa='0.7950486'0.16616511;ANC'0.760727'0.23511524;GARGA'0.7376925'0.2812889;PAPIZ'0.7136942'0.330769;PINDO'0.70652384'0.3657483;PAXIS'0.5925684'0.47705665;NABSI'0.5538124'0.50740117;GOMGO'0.5445039'0.50753206;OBRAN'0.5323109'0.5077066;RALSU'0.530711'0.50963616;REXUM'0.5289414'0.51175475;FYM'0.51308316'0.5304589;LUBOS'0.50091434'0.5448627;SEMRU'0.48927397'0.5594071;BOPOB'0.47789398'0.58272684;HGD'0.4743412'0.58985823;ALMOD'0.4716424'0.59743065;SILKA'0.4636758'0.61930096;WEJ'0.45691556'0.63683766;NADIK'0.45909432'0.65933204;RABDA'0.4598361'0.6674915;HLF'0.46136326'0.6853763;MUPVI'0.46242985'0.7082013;LAKRO'0.46275952'0.7163655;DAXAP'0.46009788'0.7512091;GAS'0.45898813'0.76409835;NAGSA'0.45907494'0.77704483;KUMTO'0.45909432'0.7836043;LABIS'0.45909432'0.7906099;PUSLA'0.45901188'0.8078256;LOROX'0.45897797'0.8116799;MGA'0.45882767'0.8239166;MUSRI'0.45866767'0.8324105;KASOM'0.4599476'0.83868885;UMENA'0.46208563'0.8493548;TABTA'0.46210986'0.85038745;KFA'0.4624691'0.86880064;NARMI'0.4590329'0.87838066;BHR'0.45829436'0.8841023;KINID'0.4564402'0.888626;TULUB'0.45574424'0.89031667;PATOM'0.45330763'0.89553016;EMISA'0.44999605'0.9023676;KAPAX'0.44863504'0.90504235;ORSIS'0.44448203'0.91239995;ENANO'0.4432559'0.9151278;TOSNA'0.4410447'0.9195752;UMEVU'0.4380049'0.9270268;KAPUM'0.43582326'0.9351571;BOSEV'0.43348792'0.94387794;MOGIM'0.4307715'0.9507196;IMLIP'0.4295837'0.9528964;ELEPO'0.42824078'0.95532537;SIXIV'0.4247404'0.96128374;KANIP'0.42198184'0.96595246;LABRI'0.419965'0.9711885;EGROK'0.41680887'0.9778013;LAKLU'0.40799496'0.9960061;GEVED'0.40174085'1.0097263;TOLDA'0.39564675'1.0228792;TUMET'0.39069682'1.0463346;TOTOX'0.381209'1.0886492;BOLIS'0.35882515'1.1344737;ADPOP'0.33249977'1.1868238;BISET'0.32095152'1.2095423;DARMI'0.31058133'1.2318097;GUNDI'0.302994'1.247794;ERVIS'0.29829615'1.2575777;OKILA'0.2895986'1.2759714;UDULO'0.28567162'1.2838981;MADOG'0.28279182'1.2898711;BBM'0.2767593'1.3023521;GULAM'0.26422054'1.3264328;OPAMO'0.2546949'1.3454835;MMV'0.22667706'1.3989692;GIRNA'0.20219398'1.4541167;ELSAR'0.17048956'1.5245742;DUBTA'0.13654292'1.6000597;NOPEK'0.11525961'1.6478817;IGEBO'0.10883524'1.6594731;ANSAX'0.10471976'1.6669348;PUGER'0.05933634'1.7504246;VESIS'0.05374644'1.7623996;INTOT'0.05248031'1.765144;VIDEX'0.05093937'1.7684209;MAKNA'0.04428288'1.7772542;INTUR'0.04106425'1.7815285;RUSBU'0.03530763'1.7891667;TOPOR'0.03031113'1.7957989;ARAMA'0.02818707'1.7997835;TEBUN'0.02179237'1.8023288;VAMPO'0.017031504'1.8050826;IBASU'0.016827883'1.8076278;VEXEL'0.017181797'1.8101683;SAMKO'0.019053178'1.813082;APIPA'0.019285887'1.8129511;ANUMA'0.020619126'1.8135134;AKIPO'0.021506336'1.8138916;ADNIK'0.02235476'1.8142455;RW02L'0.02354386'1.8147488;'0.02354386'1.8147488;AKOMA'0.03064992'1.8136055;'0.03064992'1.8136055;
CduRteLm='9'9;'9'9;'9'9;
CduRteRa='0.7950486'0.16616511;ANC'0.760727'0.23511524;GARGA'0.7376925'0.2812889;PAPIZ'0.7136942'0.330769;PINDO'0.70652384'0.3657483;PAXIS'0.5925684'0.47705665;NABSI'0.5538124'0.50740117;GOMGO'0.5445039'0.50753206;OBRAN'0.5323109'0.5077066;RALSU'0.530711'0.50963616;REXUM'0.5289414'0.51175475;FYM'0.51308316'0.5304589;LUBOS'0.50091434'0.5448627;SEMRU'0.48927397'0.5594071;BOPOB'0.47789398'0.58272684;HGD'0.4743412'0.58985823;ALMOD'0.4716424'0.59743065;SILKA'0.4636758'0.61930096;WEJ'0.45691556'0.63683766;NADIK'0.45909432'0.65933204;RABDA'0.4598361'0.6674915;HLF'0.46136326'0.6853763;MUPVI'0.46242985'0.7082013;LAKRO'0.46275952'0.7163655;DAXAP'0.46009788'0.7512091;GAS'0.45898813'0.76409835;NAGSA'0.45907494'0.77704483;KUMTO'0.45909432'0.7836043;LABIS'0.45909432'0.7906099;PUSLA'0.45901188'0.8078256;LOROX'0.45897797'0.8116799;MGA'0.45882767'0.8239166;MUSRI'0.45866767'0.8324105;KASOM'0.4599476'0.83868885;UMENA'0.46208563'0.8493548;TABTA'0.46210986'0.85038745;KFA'0.4624691'0.86880064;NARMI'0.4590329'0.87838066;BHR'0.45829436'0.8841023;KINID'0.4564402'0.888626;TULUB'0.45574424'0.89031667;PATOM'0.45330763'0.89553016;EMISA'0.44999605'0.9023676;KAPAX'0.44863504'0.90504235;ORSIS'0.44448203'0.91239995;ENANO'0.4432559'0.9151278;TOSNA'0.4410447'0.9195752;UMEVU'0.4380049'0.9270268;KAPUM'0.43582326'0.9351571;BOSEV'0.43348792'0.94387794;MOGIM'0.4307715'0.9507196;IMLIP'0.4295837'0.9528964;ELEPO'0.42824078'0.95532537;SIXIV'0.4247404'0.96128374;KANIP'0.42198184'0.96595246;LABRI'0.419965'0.9711885;EGROK'0.41680887'0.9778013;LAKLU'0.40799496'0.9960061;GEVED'0.40174085'1.0097263;TOLDA'0.39564675'1.0228792;TUMET'0.39069682'1.0463346;TOTOX'0.381209'1.0886492;BOLIS'0.35882515'1.1344737;ADPOP'0.33249977'1.1868238;BISET'0.32095152'1.2095423;DARMI'0.31058133'1.2318097;GUNDI'0.302994'1.247794;ERVIS'0.29829615'1.2575777;OKILA'0.2895986'1.2759714;UDULO'0.28567162'1.2838981;MADOG'0.28279182'1.2898711;BBM'0.2767593'1.3023521;GULAM'0.26422054'1.3264328;OPAMO'0.2546949'1.3454835;MMV'0.22667706'1.3989692;GIRNA'0.20219398'1.4541167;ELSAR'0.17048956'1.5245742;DUBTA'0.13654292'1.6000597;NOPEK'0.11525961'1.6478817;IGEBO'0.10883524'1.6594731;ANSAX'0.10471976'1.6669348;PUGER'0.05933634'1.7504246;VESIS'0.05374644'1.7623996;INTOT'0.05248031'1.765144;VIDEX'0.05093937'1.7684209;MAKNA'0.04428288'1.7772542;INTUR'0.04106425'1.7815285;RUSBU'0.03530763'1.7891667;TOPOR'0.03031113'1.7957989;ARAMA'0.02818707'1.7997835;TEBUN'0.02179237'1.8023288;VAMPO'0.017031504'1.8050826;IBASU'0.016827883'1.8076278;VEXEL'0.017181797'1.8101683;SAMKO'0.019053178'1.813082;APIPA'0.019285887'1.8129511;ANUMA'0.020619126'1.8135134;AKIPO'0.021506336'1.8138916;ADNIK'0.02235476'1.8142455;RW02L'0.02354386'1.8147488;'0.02354386'1.8147488;AKOMA'0.03064992'1.8136055;'0.03064992'1.8136055;
CduRteRm='9'9;'9'9;'9'9;
CduRteCa='0.7950486'0.16616511;ANC'0.760727'0.23511524;GARGA'0.7376925'0.2812889;PAPIZ'0.7136942'0.330769;PINDO'0.70652384'0.3657483;PAXIS'0.5925684'0.47705665;NABSI'0.5538124'0.50740117;GOMGO'0.5445039'0.50753206;OBRAN'0.5323109'0.5077066;RALSU'0.530711'0.50963616;REXUM'0.5289414'0.51175475;FYM'0.51308316'0.5304589;LUBOS'0.50091434'0.5448627;SEMRU'0.48927397'0.5594071;BOPOB'0.47789398'0.58272684;HGD'0.4743412'0.58985823;ALMOD'0.4716424'0.59743065;SILKA'0.4636758'0.61930096;WEJ'0.45691556'0.63683766;NADIK'0.45909432'0.65933204;RABDA'0.4598361'0.6674915;HLF'0.46136326'0.6853763;MUPVI'0.46242985'0.7082013;LAKRO'0.46275952'0.7163655;DAXAP'0.46009788'0.7512091;GAS'0.45898813'0.76409835;NAGSA'0.45907494'0.77704483;KUMTO'0.45909432'0.7836043;LABIS'0.45909432'0.7906099;PUSLA'0.45901188'0.8078256;LOROX'0.45897797'0.8116799;MGA'0.45882767'0.8239166;MUSRI'0.45866767'0.8324105;KASOM'0.4599476'0.83868885;UMENA'0.46208563'0.8493548;TABTA'0.46210986'0.85038745;KFA'0.4624691'0.86880064;NARMI'0.4590329'0.87838066;BHR'0.45829436'0.8841023;KINID'0.4564402'0.888626;TULUB'0.45574424'0.89031667;PATOM'0.45330763'0.89553016;EMISA'0.44999605'0.9023676;KAPAX'0.44863504'0.90504235;ORSIS'0.44448203'0.91239995;ENANO'0.4432559'0.9151278;TOSNA'0.4410447'0.9195752;UMEVU'0.4380049'0.9270268;KAPUM'0.43582326'0.9351571;BOSEV'0.43348792'0.94387794;MOGIM'0.4307715'0.9507196;IMLIP'0.4295837'0.9528964;ELEPO'0.42824078'0.95532537;SIXIV'0.4247404'0.96128374;KANIP'0.42198184'0.96595246;LABRI'0.419965'0.9711885;EGROK'0.41680887'0.9778013;LAKLU'0.40799496'0.9960061;GEVED'0.40174085'1.0097263;TOLDA'0.39564675'1.0228792;TUMET'0.39069682'1.0463346;TOTOX'0.381209'1.0886492;BOLIS'0.35882515'1.1344737;ADPOP'0.33249977'1.1868238;BISET'0.32095152'1.2095423;DARMI'0.31058133'1.2318097;GUNDI'0.302994'1.247794;ERVIS'0.29829615'1.2575777;OKILA'0.2895986'1.2759714;UDULO'0.28567162'1.2838981;MADOG'0.28279182'1.2898711;BBM'0.2767593'1.3023521;GULAM'0.26422054'1.3264328;OPAMO'0.2546949'1.3454835;MMV'0.22667706'1.3989692;GIRNA'0.20219398'1.4541167;ELSAR'0.17048956'1.5245742;DUBTA'0.13654292'1.6000597;NOPEK'0.11525961'1.6478817;IGEBO'0.10883524'1.6594731;ANSAX'0.10471976'1.6669348;PUGER'0.05933634'1.7504246;VESIS'0.05374644'1.7623996;INTOT'0.05248031'1.765144;VIDEX'0.05093937'1.7684209;MAKNA'0.04428288'1.7772542;INTUR'0.04106425'1.7815285;RUSBU'0.03530763'1.7891667;TOPOR'0.03031113'1.7957989;ARAMA'0.02818707'1.7997835;TEBUN'0.02179237'1.8023288;VAMPO'0.017031504'1.8050826;IBASU'0.016827883'1.8076278;VEXEL'0.017181797'1.8101683;SAMKO'0.019053178'1.813082;APIPA'0.019285887'1.8129511;ANUMA'0.020619126'1.8135134;AKIPO'0.021506336'1.8138916;ADNIK'0.02235476'1.8142455;RW02L'0.02354386'1.8147488;'0.02354386'1.8147488;AKOMA'0.03064992'1.8136055;'0.03064992'1.8136055;
CduRteCm='9'9;'9'9;'9'9;
CduRteSys=aaa1;1;1;
CduRtePrgL=EZE11;5;0;9.0;0.0;0.02354386;1.8147488;WSSS;
CduRtePrgR=;0;0;9.0;0.0;0.02354386;1.8147488;WSSS;
CduRtePrgC=;0;0;9.0;0.0;0.02354386;1.8147488;WSSS;
EgtExcRemind=0000
FreeMsgW=W
FreeMsgC=C
FreeMsgA=A
FreeMsgM=M
FreeMsgS=S
HydData=93;93;92;71;52;53;50;51;
Gear=0;0;0;0;0;ccccc;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;209;208;226;227;228;229;229;226;227;228;228;227;229;226;226;228;229;227;0;0;
Flaps=0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0
FlapTime=pppppppppp0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;0
BldAirVlvs=6000;6000;0;0;0;
BldAirDuct=35;35;35
Icing=0;0;0;0;0;0;0
PitotErr=0;169;0;169;0;169;0;169
OutFloCabAlt=8653;8653;3620
CabTemps=75,75;77,77;72,72;62,62;62,62;72,38;72,41;75,75;75,75;75,75;75,75;75,75;72,41;75;
Oxygen=R18408;18573
Afds=19;4;15;0;0;0;88;29000;0;207;VVVAdd0;0;FF;
TogaTrk=1.038226;0.86606765;0.10821493;
Tla=4077;4064;4075;4083
OatGndInit=1408;179
FuelQty=d292928;830791;830783;292928;88296;88296;732361;0;0;359413;464;
FuelLag=292928;830791;830783;292928;88296;88296;735158;0;0;
FuelFmc=cc3592252;108678;108657;108823;108837;
FuelCwtTd=1200;1200;1200
Squibs=00000000000000000000000000000mfa0
ActRwy=0;0;0;-9999;0;0;0;
Atis=#Carla:K P_;Charles:V R_;Charlotte:KJFK_;Matisse:LG LL H F EFHK_;Michel:E L S M B_;Mirabelle:#;Peter:EG Y C_;Philbert:U N YSSY_;Prunella:W_;
EfisMemL=r-1;262;1;100725;1;1;1;2200010000100C
EfisMemR=r-1;262;1;100625;1;1;1;2100010000101C
EfisActL=R-1;1488;1;102625;2;1;1;2400011000100c
EfisActR=R-1;1488;1;102625;2;1;1;2400010000101c
TfcPos=0.7483876608741826;0.26022518733534916;313170;10561;0.7572772226247306;0.2746623419744134;343170;30279;0.7329406267342109;0.2621764314303987;343170;30137;0.7576349961126485;0.28726953054114146;329873;6943;0.7466463239173249;0.2951462596562915;353170;12259;0.7602790850663651;0.29493954767907216;300351;32406;0.7474351540418485;0.3008541543252101;343170;30998;
TfcVel=0;0;416;0;0;494;0;0;453;-1792;0;401;0;0;421;2016;0;453;0;0;460;
RandomSld=280;280;280;280;280;280;
RmiInit=239;270;270;239;169;90;
IrsMon=_0.0_0.0_0.0
DispatchError=----
PnfRef=KLM 1 - Roland
AcarsTelexDn=CLX7642 OOOI STATUS^OFF 1136Z^
AcarsTelexUp=^^^
MetarsUp=SEQM G 021550Z ^EXPECT RWY 36^TRANS LVL 180^VRB02KT 9999 SCT010^BKN080 15/12 Q1028^NOSIG RMK A3037^^SEGU G 021550Z ^EXPECT RWY 21^TRANS LVL 50^23002KT 210V320 9999^SCT020 BKN100 28/25^Q1012 NOSIG RMK^A2989^^
AcarsData=2;0;0;0;0;0;9;0.8;405861.0;SH;JETA1;;EHAM;;;;;CLX7642;ELLX;WSSS;1119;1136;****;****;29018119;29018136;0;0;0;0;;;;;;;;;;SEQM;SEGU;----;----;----;
FansLastLog=569;2;2;1741018103;U;0;4;3; AT^2655N^ CRUISE CLIMB TO^FL360^^^---- RESPONSE 1608Z ----^WILCO^;
FansBasics=0;;;e;2;0;0;WSSS;-1;459;13000;;;;;;;;;;-9999;IREMI;5;0;0;r;0;0;;;b;;;;;;;16;
VoiceAtc=28;11TNCCEHAM340;Singapore;47;6632;118300@Peter;118300@Charles;119600@Philbert;124040@Carla;5039@Matisse;118400@Charlotte;118100@Michel;121700@Peter;
AtcTalk=70140;0006;0017;0019;0013;0204;0068;0065;0063;0061;0206;0004;0014;0001;0014;
RudRatios=1000;1000
Windshear=N0;0
RadStatFail=omi;;;;;;
CfgClbWashout=100/150;100/150
VoiceAtis=LIME 041220Z VRB04KT CAVOK 15/01 Q1025 NOSIG
EmerLtsPwr=fa10000;10000
MfAntiskid=0;6;-99
DefaultRteUplink=#
Touchdown=5iwu;0;0;0;0;0;0;0;-151;
AutoStartProg=0;0;0;0;
SdcTimers=0;0;0;0;
DestRwy=06
MfAftCgoOvht=1;6;-99
MfApuN1=1;6;-99
MfApuOil=1;6;-99
WxCorridorSel=200
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Hardy Heinlin

#1
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:10
Hi Simon,

thank you for your work.

Unfortunately, I'm not able to restudy all this stuff in all details and revisit thousands of lines in my code; it would take months or years as every modification would require even more tests and so on, and may be wrong again in the end etc. -- I don't want to do such modifications anymore ...

But thank you for your attention and interest!


Best wishes,

|-|ardy

Hardy Heinlin

#2
Thu, 13 Mar 2025 12:32
Just for information. Variables taken into account in MAX ALT computation are:

Gross weight
Mach
Headwind component
OAT deviation from ISA

These variables depend on further variables. They are just the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe you are referring to LRC speed rather than ECON speed. LRC implies the speed schedule already and doesn't depend on headwind.


Regards,

|-|ardy


simonijs

#3
Thu, 13 Mar 2025 15:14
Hi,

The FCOM provides data for LRC MAX ALT, both for Buffet Limit PA (1,3G) and Thrust Limited PA. The latter being subdivided into ISA +10 & Below, ISA +15 and ISA +20.

KLM's FCOM shows Buffet Limit PA to be more limiting than Thrust Limited PA. However, the Flight Crew Training Manual states that, depending on the thrust rating of the engines, the thrust limited altitude may be above or below the maneuver altitude capability. So for KLM aircraft, this "above" aplies. Temperature would be no factor, but that may not be the case for other operators. And then we get to that part of the iceberg that is below the surface. Very cold there as well, so let's not get into it.

Kind regards,
Simon



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