9pack questions

[DogsEarsUp]

I have tried finding information on this subject on the forum, and apologies if I have missed something that I shouldn't have.

I like to have one of my layouts in the 9pack as pretty much full size of the upper half of the flight deck (minus overheads). I'm running at 2560 x 1440 on a new M3 iMac and I like to have one screen with a general overall view (I know, but that's just me). My questions are...

In terms of performance, is there a way of 'telling' PSX that I only want one screen with no dividers and zooming (I've tried the below)?

I there a performance impact on running multiple dividers vs one single or is it so small a to be insignificant?

I've noticed with this setup that on the demo loop situ my frame rates drop to an average of about 28fps. I this because of what I'm doing with the 9pack or is it just that the situ is a demanding scenario?

Once again, apologies if I have missed the obvious.

[Aerowinx Precision Simulator - Layouts]
[Version 10.172c]

[Layout 1]
title=Main Screen
screenX=0
screenY=0
screenW=2560
screenH=1440
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dividerRightY=0.9999999
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zoomLowerL=0.5303595
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zoomLowerR=0.5969397
xScrollLwrR=1725.6581
yScrollLwrR=97.538315

[Hardy Heinlin]

With your layout and that demo loop, my iMac never drops below 60 fps.

I have 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7, Big Sur.

You may turn off the WXR and TERR mode on one ND. The WXR and TERR modes scan the terrain file on the hard disk (or disk cache) and they do it for either ND separately because either ND may have its own specific map position and scale.

Do you use an Internet cloud for your PSX files? (You shouldn't.)


Regards,

|-|ardy

[DogsEarsUp]

Thanks Hardy - no cloud for the files.

I was surprised at the frame rate which is one of the reasons that I posted (I have previously enjoyed 70+). I suspect there is something going on with OS Sonoma that I can't see. Turning off WXR & TERR on one ND adds about 4 - 6 fps.
Does my .9pack look ok to you (Thanks for your time btw)

[Hardy Heinlin]

Your layout shows just one of 4 possible subframes. So there are no additional performance impacts by other subframes.

When you drag a divider very close to a window edge, you'll see the divider will snap to the edge. When this happens you can be sure there is absolutely no gap and no subframe anymore between divider and window edge.

[DogsEarsUp]

Thanks Hardy

[FlyItLikeYouStoleIt]

The iMac M3 may simply be graphically underpowered for this. Java does not really get the best out of graphics performance on modern Macs. I have a MacBook M1 Pro Max and do get 60fps with the demo loop using your layout file, but my laptop has about 250% the graphics power of your M3 desktop according to OpenCL and Metal benchmarks.

[DogsEarsUp]

Hmmm.... seems odd. I've now changed the screen resolution to 1920 x 1080 and (unsurprisingly perhaps) am now getting 45 - 50fps.
Is there some way of getting a Java program to run full screen? (Thanks for any answers)

The iMac M3 may simply be graphically underpowered for this. Java does not really get the best out of graphics performance on modern Macs. I have a MacBook M1 Pro Max and do get 60fps with the demo loop using your layout file, but my laptop has about 250% the graphics power of your M3 desktop according to OpenCL and Metal benchmarks.

May I ask if you're running Sonoma?

[Hardy Heinlin]

Do you see a PSX frame edge at the bottom of your monitor screen?

In your layout you have "screenY=0". On my iMac this position is impossible because of the Mac's main menu bar at the top. So the system puts the PSX frame down by 22 or so pixels and crops the bottom part so that the PSX frame will not enter the invisible part beyond the lower monitor edge. But maybe this is the case on your Sonoma system? That would mean you have an area 22 pixels high, located in "nowhere land", which might take some CPU power without reason.

[FlyItLikeYouStoleIt]

May I ask if you're running Sonoma?

Yes.

[DogsEarsUp]

Hardy - I've set the "screenY=0" as the menu bar is on auto-hide and so not visible when PSX is running.

Interestingly, I've discovered that the default 24" M3 iMac resolution is not 2560 x 1440 but 2240 x 1260 (Retina). On the new M1 MacBook Air it's 1440 x 900 (retina). For those that might be interested I've pasted my .9pack below at 2240 x 1260 (Retina) - I'm WIP on the MacBook. Naturally the layouts won't be to everybody's taste but it's a start. By following the suggestions in the User Guide I'm managing to get frame rates of 35 - 45fps which is quite manageable.

EDIT: Just to add that there is no discernible frame rate difference between the M3 iMac and the M1 MacBook when both are running at their default screen resolutions and the .9pack has been adjusted for max efficiency as shown in the User Guide.

Although lacking any kind of expertise, I still suspect that the bottleneck is something to do with Apple chip graphics and the present version of Java. If there was some way to run Java full-screen (Game Mode?) it seems logical that an improvement would occur but I know that things are rarely that simple!

Anyway, I won't overstay my welcome - thanks for your help

[Aerowinx Precision Simulator - Layouts]
[Version 10.172]

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[Layout 2]
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[Layout 3]
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[Layout 5]
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[Layout 6]
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