WinTWY v1.1b -31 oct 2004 problem no taxiway showing...

[Lau]

Hi Jeroen,

Tried to follow install steps but surely missed something as taxi ways are not showing in WinTWY window. program communicates with Broker and SB747 as I can see trafic displayed in the WinTWY window. Also but not least the scenary file you provided me is in the same folder as WinTWY. Instead of reading the airport ICAO I read XXXX, which clearly tells that WinTWY is not managing for some reason to read the scenary file...?

Also how can I integrate the WinTWY window in the lower EICAS?

Thanks,

Lau

[Holger Wende]

Hi Lau,

WinTWY cannot be integratioed into the lower EICAS.
You need to use TWY instead (without Win).

These programms were developped by Ivan.
You can access his page via http://www.hoppie.nl/ivan/

Unfortunately the Taxiway/Traffic link is outdated. Please use instead:
http://www.hoppie.nl/ivan/twy.html

When testing WinTwy (or Twy) you have to set your current position to an airpoirt available in the scenery file (e.g. EDDF).
Then enter this airport ad DEP in the FMC routes page and annother valid aiport as ARR.
Then it should work, press Ctrl-F12 to toggle between origin and  destination.

Regards, Holger

[Lau]

Dear Holger,

Tried to follow the above links but unfortunately did not managed to download the TWY...
So I tried to use the WinTWY as you said with DEP and ARR ICAO codes on FMC, I did get a bit further but still not taxiway showing  :|

What I see :
- Instead of the XXXX, I now have the ICAO code of the airport (so this is good - I only use airports that are in the SCENERY file e.g : LFPO and EGLL)
- Also I can see a green dote with airport ICAO next to it, but no taxiways lol

Anything I am missing ?

With regards to PS integrated to MFS, this could be great, at present I do not have MFS04, bought all the other ones  :mrgreen:

I read that VisualPS1 for MFSX is under development, do you know how advanced is this project? In the mean time it will be very handy to be able to see taxiways with TWY (did I say this before :roll:)

Cheers,

Lau

[Holger Wende]

Hi Lau,

Maybe the zoom scale is too large?
When too big a scale is chosen then only a small symbol is displayed at the airport location together with the aiport label. I need to start WinTWY again to check the details.... I did not use it for a while due to some stability problems on my notebook.

Unfortunately I have no experience with any of the MS FS versions. The 2 computer I use are not powerful enough to run any MS FS version.

So long, Holger

[Edit]
Well, I have no LFPO in my (modified) scenery file  :shock: I might have deleted it a while back. So I cannot reproduce this quickly.
And when I place my 744 at LFPO then WinTWY only displays: "WinTWX/TF XXXX" in the upper left window corner.
Are you sure you have a scenery file with LFPO included?

For verification please try e.g. EDDM for both origin and destination.
Use instructor page to set location of your aircraft to EDDM.
Then start WinTwy and use  F12/Alt F12 to set scale less than 5.

Finally let us know what you see in WinTWY window.

[Edit2]
I found my old scenerytwy file and restored that And when I set the Aircraft at LFPO I can see some airport layout.

[Holger Wende]

Also I can see a green dote with airport ICAO next to it, but no taxiways lol

Yes, this is clear indication that your scale is set too large. The scale is displayed in the right upper corner next to ground speed GS.
"GS 0  2" means 0kt ground speed and 2nm visible scale.

Use F12/Alt F12 to select a scale less than 5 [nm].

That should solve your problem.

- Holger

[Lau]

Dear Holger,

It worked, the problem was with the FMC RTE, DEP and ARR ICAO need to be the same for the scenery to show.

So yes I now have a nice taxiway map  

Any news with the file TWY without the WIN so I can have the map on the lower EICAS...?

Thank you, one down and few to go before I can be airborne  

With kind regards,

Lau

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

The arrival and departure ICAOs do not need to be the same, but you can swap them, I think by repeating Ctrl-F12 or something. It is like OFF - DEPARTURE - ARRIVAL - OFF. Or so.

Lower EICAS I totally forgot how to do it. There was a magic key, I believe, but you also had to start something in high memory, or was it integrated into IPC by now? Memory fails... IVAN!!?!


Jeroen

[Holger Wende]

Any news with the file TWY without the WIN so I can have the map on the lower EICAS...?

I need to retrieve it from my backup, I should have the file there.
You may send me a short e-mail using my profile here in the forum, I published my email address temporarily.
Then I can send the ZIP file to you if your provider permits ZIP attachments.

And as Hoppie already said: Origin and destination do not need to be the same in the FMC routes page. You can toggle between both using Ctrl-F12. However you will see only that scennery where your aircraft is located.
When you position your aircraft at the DEST airport, you will see the destination scenery only. And if you are parked at the origin you can only see the origin scenery.

There was a magic key

That's F11, see also http://www.hoppie.nl/ivan/twy

I used to have a .bat file which started PS1 + Twy + TF.
I'll publish that tomorrow - if I find it in my backup

So long, Holger

[Lau]

Great Holger, thanks!

I've sent an email to you via the forum, let me know if you do not receive it.

Cheers,

Lau

[Holger Wende]

Hi Lau,

a mail with the TF30.ZIP file is on the way to you.

A few additional comments:
Maybe due to my limited PS1 compute resources I oberseved some instabilities with Twy/TF running parellel to PS1.
Therefore I reduced the scenery.twy to a few preferred airports which seems to have improved stability a bit. But when Ivan published WinTWY I did not need this workaround any more and I remove Twy from my computer.

WinTwy consumes a lot of CPU time, so it is definitely better not to run it on the PS1 machine.
I do not know how many cores your computer has, but Hoppie already pointed out that running all programs on a single computer might be a real challenge.

A simple 2-computer setup might be:
PC1: Broker, 747IPC+PS1, optionally plus Twy/TF
PC1: SB747, AVC, WinTWY, optionally ServInfo, Internet...

Before you run 747IPC/PS1 you need to run Twy in high memory.
I created a small batch file (e.g. twylh.bat) for this purpose with a shortcut on my desktop.
 

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D:
cd \\Programs\\Twy747_30
lh twy

Similarly you can create a batch file (e.g. twyr.bat) to unload Twy using something like

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D:
cd \\Programs\\Twy747_30
twy r

Hope this helps.

Holger

[Lau]

Hi Holger,

Received the file thanks, before I install it I will try to read some lines about .bat files

Tested online flying this evening, unfortunately I now understand Jeroen point, WinTWY is not precise enough to taxi with other pilots using MFS.

So yes, the next step for me will be to integrate MFS scenery to PS.

Still I will use WinTWY for my offline flying.

Cheers,

Lau

PS:  at the moment I manged to run all applications on the same machine. But since I started using AVC I am starting to get some minor stability issues.

I wonder what happened to http://www.geocities.com/ps1ipc/twy.html and to http://infolab.kub.nl/people/hoppie/ps1/gates as per SB747 manual these where a solution to precision taxiing with other MFS users.

[Holger Wende]

I wonder what happened to http://www.geocities.com/ps1ipc/twy.html and to http://infolab.kub.nl/people/hoppie/ps1/gates as per SB747 manual these where a solution to precision taxiing with other MFS users.

Hi Lau,

As far as I remember the geocities link was originally the location where Ivan Ngeov (author of Twy, TF and WinTwy) stored his files. I thought it all was moved to http://www.hoppie.nl/ivan, obviously some links changed.

The other link to infolab was an old address of Hoppie.
I assume http://infolab.kub.nl/people/hoppie/ps1/gates has been moved to http://www.hoppie.nl/tmp/747GATE.ZIP
But this is a gate database and not directly related to Twy.

Taxiing with WinTWY should be fine as long as the scenery is up to date and as long as you keep additional safety clearance of other traffic.
When flying online with VATSIM or IVAO I would suggest to add a comment to the remarks field of your flight plan, e.g. "Sim: PS1, very limited scenery".
Then most controllers do not complain if you taxi across the "grass".

Various MS FS sceneries sometimes have different offsets as well, so it might not be you taxiing off the taxiway.
747IPC applies micro shifts and rotations to adapt for the online world. Do not worry about that too much.
Just keep an additional safety clearance to other traffic, then you are fine.

Holger

[Lau]

Thanks Holger for all your help!

I will now give you a small brake while I continue to follow this learning process...

Note: on the TWY scenery for EGPK (start at terminal A and follow TWY R till holding point Q for RWY 31. You will be surprised that the RWY is not aligned with the WinTWY representation of the RWY 31, therefore the TWY R must also be in the wrong place. This is not a problem I just wanted you to know, surely their are many other more accurate airports that can be selected.

Surely I was not lucky with the EGPK ATC as they did request from me to disconnect. Other members did remind the TWR that I was not doing anything wrong as I was on a stand still near the gate. But I will get back to that airport one day  

With best regards,

Lau

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

There are various "types" of controllers, and if you have bad luck, it's better to move on to a friendlier airport (and don't complain, just accept it). "Conflict resolution" is a complete branch of VATSIM, vice president and all... (... more comments swallowed ...).

I would recommend to get a second-hand PC from a neighbour and install a completely stripped Windows plus a completely stripped, plain MSFS on it. Then carefully install the bare minimum of software to get VisualPS1 running, I believe that is a specific version of FSUIPC, plus .NET 1.1, plus VisualPS1 itself. As MSFS runs well in a window, I would do just this. It makes the MSFS display smaller, thus faster, and leaves display real estate for the other programs that you want to look at during the setup and diagnostic phase you need to go through.

On the PS1 machine, run just the Broker, IPC, and PS1. Broker and IPC need zero display after startup and PS1 is much happier in full screen.

More PCs mean more display mean more ease. You don't need power, you need space.

If the PS1-to-MSFS link works ok, you can move to the MSFS version of SquawkBox or FSInn, and drop SB747+AVC. This likely also is somewhat of an improvement.


Jeroen

[Lau]

Hi,

I believe we are not that many pilots using WinTWY as must of you are flying with MFS scenery. However at the moment I am using it for all my online flights.

There are some important airports like EGKK with mismatching position between PS1 and WinTWY scenery. Is there a way for me to improve this by my self (any software available?)

I tried lining up the PS airport position with the WinTWY scenery (via FMC menu) while on a runway, but unfortunately the position modifications are too important for a proper line up. So my hopes are towards modifying the scenery data base...? How did you do this scenery, is it possible to rebuild some of them to be closer to MFS?

While I know that the answers will not necessary be convenient to my purpose as I do understand that all of the above is from an other stone age, still I am curious about the possible outcome.

Cheers,

Lau