Please help! SOS

[747dude]

Hello all,

Long time reader, not a frequent poster here, looking for some help.  I've been diligently working on my sim and my cockpit is coming along.  My next step is the MIP.  I actually have a real 744 MIP frame, but no avionics.

Here's where I need help.  Where do you guys find OEM avionics for your pits?  I've called/emailed around and searched the forums and haven't found any good leads.  The few leads I find end up turning into nothing.  Where do you get your OEM avionics from?

Any help at all is appreciated, Thank You!

747dude

Edit: forgot the most important part.  I'm looking for everything except the displays.  The screens will be just ordinary computer monitors.

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

I'm pretty sure very few people will use actual IDUs as they only take ARINC 429 EFIS data and nothing in PSX will generate this for you. There's only so much from a real aircraft you really want to use.

Everything I've seen uses "normal" monitors mounted closely behind a main instrument panel that has been flattened at the inside as much as possible, to get the monitor faces as close to the panel as possible. PSX allows you to position the required display segments (cutouts) exactly where you want them on the monitors, at the right zoom size.


Hoppie

[747dude]

Thanks for the reply.  I guess I left the most important part out.  I'm looking for all the avionics except the displays.  So the standbys, chronos, selector panels and so on....  I'll be using regular computer monitors for the actual "glass".  Sorry for leaving that out!  That's a big difference.

I'll see if it will let me edit my post!

Thanks!

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

This stuff useful?

http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/components/b747/

There's a nagging problem with real avionics: they break and then you need a replacement which is as hard or harder to find as the original (repairing it usually is nigh impossible at humanly acceptable costs). Also they require a slew of specialised equipment and heaps of power to operate, next to the problem of driving them from PSX. Some guys have solutions for this but you still have to source spare parts.

https://simulatorsolutions.com.au/simstack/


Hoppie

[747dude]

That's a good point.  With realism in mind, my original plan, which can be easily modified (as I haven't made the purchases yet) was to use as many real avionics as possible.  In tandem with the simstacks interfacing.  The thought of spares didn't come to mind.  I'm curious how well non-OEM panels will work with my MIP (OEM) frame...

You got me rethinking my game plan here...

Decisions decisions

[farrokh747]

ebay is your friend...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Aviation-Parts-Accessories/26435/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=boeing&_sop=10

https://www.ebay.com/usr/thejetsim

http://stores.ebay.com/universalassetmanagement/

and many many more....

good luck...


fc

[Gary Oliver]

I can highly recommend Joe and Rob at the jetsim on eBay.  I hope Hardy doesn't mind me putting a direct email on here:Aeroditegroup 'at' gmail.com

That's where I get most of my stuff for the www.simfest.co.uk simulator.  Reasonable prices for Sim builders and can generally get hold of most things.

Thanks
Gary

[Joe Corrigan]

Hi 747dude,

Further to Gary's comment,

Rob Hooley and myself have an aircraft parts supply business and would be more then happy to assist. We buy whole complete decks directly from the scrapper and part out and inventory every panel and piece.

We have what you are after in stock at the moment, feel free to get in touch with your requirements.

Via the email address Gary has provided below or through here.

Cheers,

-Joe

[747dude]

Fantastic information guys.  Thank you very much!

On a somewhat related note.  For you guys who have built with OEM parts...  How difficult was the process, what obstacles did you face? Did you use simstack?   I would say I have average computer skills but have never written a line of code, which makes me nervous.

Thanks again!

[B747-400]

Hi guys,

hmm, I struggled with myself asking this question or not ... I dont want to start a discussion or sound rude or offend anybody ... BUT:

Do you really think USD 850 is a "reasonable" price for builders? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Radio-Control-Panel-as-removed-from-Boeing-747-400-aircraft/282712050862 

Or USD 1200 for this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Boeing-Temperature-Control-Panel-from-the-Flightdeck-of-a-Retired-747/282745995877?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D55511bf6145e43e6abf3c978d22e89b5%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D282717812762&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

If I had to pay this prices for all my parts, I would have never been able (AND willing) to collect all the great parts I have right now!

Cheers
Hans

[B747-400]

Hi 747dude

Fantastic information guys.  Thank you very much!

On a somewhat related note.  For you guys who have built with OEM parts...  How difficult was the process, what obstacles did you face? Did you use simstack?   I would say I have average computer skills but have never written a line of code, which makes me nervous.

Thanks again!

If you want to see what I have done with my genuine 747 TQ to convert it to my needs, you're welcome on my HP!

Simstack are great boards; but as you've mentioned: you need to learn how to adress all the items and code the behaviour of switches etc.! Simstack is Arduino based. So have a look at some Arduino Forums out there. Try to find out if coding looks logical to you, and If you are willing and capable to learn it. Should not sound rude, but not everybody likes coding ... 

Not to forget: Simulator Solutions (SimStack) has a good forum as well, with very helpful information.

Cheers
Hans

[farrokh747]

http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=3526.msg36167#msg36167


https://simulatorsolutions.com.au/simstack/     drop them a line -

If you are using oem panels (with incandescent lamps) , you'll need to modulate 5v and 28v DC - not sure what the other options are for this....  as far as coding is concerned, simstack has all the heavy lifting done in the background libraries - the user mainly has to set up the arrays of inputs and outputs, which is pretty straightforward.. 

I use ss for all my switches and lamps - i also use a few stock arduinos for some custom stuff ive done...

cheers,

fc

[747dude]

Hans, FC, thanks for the response.  I'm definitely not opposed to coding and learning how to do it.  I'm just concerned that I may bite off more than I can chew considering my lack of coding experience.

Right now I'm in fact find mode, trying to find the best path forward.

Hans, I like your site, it's great!  I'll be referencing it a lot during my TQ conversion.

[B747-400]

Thanks for you compliment ... another update regarding my selfmade oxy-masks is overdue ... hope to manage it next few days. Here is a little teaser ... 



I know your feeling. I had the some kind of the same with my Yokes, the TQ, with the oxy masks as well, and now with the OVHD! 

It's learning by doing most of times. I've never converted a genuine TQ before; never built oxgen mask panels. Now they are ready! 

Simply start with - in your eyes - the simple parts, then the next one, step by step etc.! You will see a learning curve very soon! And not forget: in this forum and in others as well, are lot of *very* talented and skilled builders, always willing to help! This was also a great source of information for me!

Cheers
Hans

[747dude]

Wow! That is awesome!  3D printed?

[B747-400]

Thx! No, handcrafted from lot of different parts ... stay tuned for my next report 

[emerydc8]

Reasonable prices for Sim builders and can generally get hold of most things.

Thanks
Gary

Except for a 744 TQ, which seems to be as rare as hen's teeth.

Jon