SIDS and STARS?

[Will]

I can't seem to find any SIDS or STARS in the FMC. What am I doing wrong?

For example, the Basic 002 situ shows on ROUTE 1 2/6 that the aircraft is ready to fly the EAST1 departure. But going to the DEP/ARR INDEX page shows SIDS -NONE-.

In fact, I can't find any SIDs or STARs at any airport. Any idea what happened?

[Hardy Heinlin]

Did you delete any files in the folder "Aerowinx/Navigation"? How many files are in there?

[Avi]

If you select INDEX (6L) at the DEP page and enter any ICAO code into 6L or 6R, do you get anything (I do)?

[Will]

Hardy, the Navigation folder has 54 items, 85,231,110 bytes. All files are dated 2/27/17.


Avi, I get STARS -NONE-. I've put in all kinds of airports, ones that definitely have SIDs and STARs. Of note, the runways show up for departures, but there are no runways for SIDs.

[Avi]

Will,

I have only 47 files and 2 folders (-New & –Old).
Try to put the latest NAV cycle in the –New folder and start PSX to see if it solves the problem.

Cheers.

[Hardy Heinlin]

Avi is right. I suggest delete all files in "Navigation" except for the two subfolders "-New" and "-Old". Then copy "nav1703.zip" from "-Old" to "-New" and restart PSX.


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[Will]

This is strange.

I put nav1703.zip in the -New folder and started PSX. It didn't move the file into -Old.

I was wondering if perhaps that's because it was already installed? So I tried putting nav1403.zip into -New and started PSX, and it didn't update. PSX is still on 1703, and the 1403.zip also stayed in the -New folder. Is it somehow not finding the Navigation folder?


Edit: I'll clear out the Navigation folder entirely and do it again.

[Will]

I emptied the Navigation folder as Hardy suggested. Nothing remains except -New and -Old. I put nav1703.zip into -New, and started PSX.


PSX started normally, but the SIDs and STARs still aren't there, and the Navigation folder remains empty except for the two subfolders. PSX didn't unzip and move 1703.zip.

[Hardy Heinlin]

"-Old" is your backup archive.

If "nav1703.zip" already exists in "-Old", it will not recopy it to "-Old".

If there is a single file in "-New" during PSX start-up, PSX will unzip that file into "Navigation", and then move the zip to "-Old" if isn't already there. If it's already there, it will delete that single copy in "-New" after unzipping.

What has happened to your Navigation folder? What did you change?

[Will]

Okay, problem solved.

For some reason, Apple had decided that the Navigation folder needed to live on an iCloud drive, even though it looked like it was still in my PSX folder. I brought it back from the cloud and now everything's fine.

[Avi]

It sounds like a writing authorization problem. Did "something" happen?

P.S.
Well, I guess "something" did 

[Hardy Heinlin]

Go to Aerowinx/Navigation/-Old

Unzip nav1703.zip manually

Go to Aerowinx/Navigation/-Old/Navigation
and move all 47 files from there to Aerowinx/Navigation

[Will]

Problem solved, see above. Apple had moved the entire Navigation folder (and the Terrain folder, but not any other folders) to an iCloud drive. Now it's back on my computer, and everything is back to working as advertised.

[Hardy Heinlin]

Why does Apple do this?

[Will]

They offer iCloud storage for $0.99 per month, and the idea is that you can share files to their iCloud drive and then access them from any device, from anywhere. Like for example, edit a file on your work computer, then keep editing it on your phone on the way home, and then finish editing it on your home computer, all without ever needing to transfer the files from device to device.

This is theoretically useful.

Somehow the Aerowinx Navigation folder and Terrain folder got marked as folders to be uploaded to iCloud, so that's where they went. Visually, they were still on my home computer in my PSX folder, but they were tagged for sharing to iCloud, so in order to read the files within them, one would need to do something that PSX didn't do.

Why those two folders and no others? I have no idea. I didn't do it deliberately. Perhaps I did it accidentally, or perhaps they contain something that iCloud looks for.

[torrence]

It's a feature, not a bug!

I haven't had any PSX iCloud problems but will watch out for it.  I noticed recently that some things in my directory structure were pointing to folders with the same names as on my disk but missed the little marker that meant they were in the "cloud".  I think this was in my case due to my signing up for the iCloud storage when setting up my new computer recently.

Cheers,
Torrence