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[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

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[Avi]

It is going to be interesting...

[Will]

What a surprise.

[Phil Bunch]

I don't see how this can possibly work.

I hope that I'm completely mistaken but I fear that the current form of government will be replaced within 3-12 months.  The established democracy is incompatible with the new President.

[evaamo]

Well, as a native from Venezuela who left his country 6 years ago due to incompatibilities with Hugo Chavez "21st-century socialism", I kind of feel vindicated by this election.

I mean... brexit and now Trump? We certainly no longer have the monopoly of awful voting decisions that, like a boomerang, sooner rather than later return to chop our heads off.

The bad news is: I live in Mexico now. So we're already feeling the consequences with the Mexican Peso plummeting against the USD. On the other hand, maybe it's a great time to invest in a construction company... the wall is going to be quite a big project :-/

cheers
-E

[farrokh747]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/20/roy-cohn-donald-trump-joseph-mccarthy-rosenberg-trial

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html?_r=0

some historical context.....

[falconeye]

Would have Clinton been so much better?

[frumpy]

Serious question? Even if Trump shows teeth, he will be no match for
Putin.

Judging by Trumps expressed thoughts on foreign politics,
he will let Europe down, while Putin will increase his political influence and
territorial expansion. This will influence us in Germany too.

I think its time we Europeans concentrate on common values and political
culture and stick together. This has become an ideological struggle.

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

What worries me even more than Mr. T. himself is that a part of his followers takes his election ("their win") as a sure sign that from now on, established laws (made by the "losers") are no longer valid.

Some people consider democracy as "the survival of the strongest" and "winner takes it all". If you win by 51/49 then you have the right to trump (sic) the other half of the population because they lost and you have the world's cup for four years.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

The next thing you do is to change the constitution and other legislation to lock in your win, basically abandoning democracy because you have reached the end station, you have reached the will of the people.


Hoppie

[FlyingBlue]

This is a forum dedicated to PSX, not a forum for politics! Please use a political forum to show your dissatisfaction.

Sjaak

[falconeye]

@frumpy
Perhaps you are right, but nobody knows what Hillary really would have done against Putin. And Obama had eight years to show his teeth, but it seems, it was more important for him to monitor Merkels phone calls.

@Hoppie
This is perhaps the problem of every democratical system, that the "winners" will always try to influence and change the laws to their advantage. You can observe this of course in Germany too. After each government change, there is always a exchange of lawyers and civil servants. The longer a party has the power the more they change in their direction. And sometimes the voters are sick of this behavior and decide to crash it with a big bang.(for example in Austria). But who knows a better system? Interestingly Clinton had more votes then Trump, but due to the complicated election system he was the winner nevertheless.
But for me the question is, if you have a real democracy when you can only choose between two parties.
And usually the winner is the guy with more money to spend in TV advertising spots. For me such a system has more to do with "duomonarchy" then with democracy.

Cheers and I am back to the sim now