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My biggest handicap... ATC...

Started by cagarini, Sun, 2 Oct 2016 08:18

Hardy Heinlin

Quote from: jcomm on Mon,  3 Oct 2016 13:14
it's one of the default situs, the one ( 09 I believe ) with a flight from Liubliana to Frankfurt.

Sorry, that's of no help. I need your situation shortly before T/D, saved in the moment when you're having your problem.


|-|ardy

cagarini

Ok, will save tonight and post it here.

Hardy Heinlin

I just flew this scenario and I got no problems. About 15 nm before T/D she asked me to call Approach on 120.15. Approach cleared me down to FL230.

tango4


Well, I did not even think of it that way.
For some reason I thought that if you deselected LNAV, you would have to turn the ATC robot Off then On again and get a new squawk code before it would work. It did not even come to my mind to just try this !
Anyway, I should really learn a bit of programming some day...


Charles

Quote from: Hardy Heinlin on Mon,  3 Oct 2016 12:36
Quote from: tango4 on Mon,  3 Oct 2016 09:00
For me, if there was one feature I would like to see, it is an option between LNAV only or full Vectors.
[...] what I'd like to see is an intermediate option, which is what happens almost everyday in real life. You'll be expected to follow LNAV plan. But sometimes, ATC will unexpectedly vector you out of your published track.

A modification of this kind is something I cannot do in the near future, but it could be easily done by an add-on: The add-on just needs to select and deselect the "LNAV ..." checkboxes at random. The respective Q variable is available in the PSX network.


|-|ardy

torrence

Quote from: Hardy Heinlin on Sun,  2 Oct 2016 13:04
Also note that you may get the clearance via SELCAL, i.e. you will hear a chime and the CALL light will illuminate. In that case call ATC. Then you will get the next instruction.

Another RTFM moment for me.  I've been missing timely descent clearances because I didn't recognize the SELCAL chimes.  When I first went through the manual I thought the SELCAL CALL function only related to someone sending from the CALLS tab on the Instructors Page and didn't realize the ATC Robot would use it also.  Might be worth an explicit note in the next version of the manual.

Cheers,
Torrence
Cheers
Torrence

cagarini

And this turn around it worked ok for me and a few miles from ToD I got handed to EDDF App, and from them down to my first step-down FL...

Zapp

Hi, I tried the old link but it looks like that dropbox location does not exist anymore.

Is there a new link to the voice sets?

Thanks

Andrea

Hardy Heinlin

In the Tutorials section I just reposted this text that I wrote some time ago:

http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=3866.0


Regards,

|-|ardy

Ivo de Colfmaker

Hi Andrea,
The file is removed from dropbox by acident I see, will put it back on this afternoon.
Thanks for you interest.
Ivo
A day at this forum is a day learned!

tango4


I also think this would be a good idea to add this to a future revision of the manual for newcomers.
I too had some trouble understanding what to expect with the ATC robot and this precise post is what helped me the most at the time.


Charles

Quote from: Hardy Heinlin on Mon,  3 Oct 2016 23:33
In the Tutorials section I just reposted this text that I wrote some time ago:

http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=3866.0


Regards,

|-|ardy

cagarini


Ivo de Colfmaker

A day at this forum is a day learned!

Ivo de Colfmaker

For those who want to hear how my recordings sound, here is a youtube  link.
1 female and 1 male voice,slow and fast, with and without little static
ivo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qs6ICC3gMI
A day at this forum is a day learned!

Zapp

Cool tnx! Downloading right now ...

Andrea

cagarini


double-alpha

Tell me what you think about Lisa voice : I think she is the easiest to understand.

Ivo de Colfmaker

Hi,
Actualy, besides my own voice, which  I recorded with laryngitis  at that time, the artificial voices are only one, a female voice.
It takes some time to record each word, and then edit it to remove the lag at the begining and the end.

To save time and not have to do the recording for each seperate voice, I used a free program called Audacity.
This has the option to change the speed and/or the pitch of the voice.
Starting from the original female voice I lowered the pitch with 25% to get the male voice, and then rose the speed up to get a normal tempo.
Used different speeds and pitches to get the different voices.

It is very easy to edit it yourself to the speed and pitch you like by using Audacity, or any other sound editing program.
Just load the wav.file, change speed or pitch and save with the same name.
This way you can make it to your liking.
Ivo
A day at this forum is a day learned!

cagarini

Quote from: Double-alpha on Tue,  4 Oct 2016 19:57
Tell me what you think about Lisa voice : I think she is the easiest to understand.

They're all very clear, particularly Lisa's.

I'm not saying such easy to understand and clear voices are realistic, because real world ATC sometimes put's me to think what was transmited although most of the time due to problems in the transmission / reception equipments and not necessarily with the voices of the human agents, but for starting my ATC training in PSX, this will certainly help :-)

Thx for sharing Ivo!

andrej

Quote from: Hardy Heinlin on Sun,  2 Oct 2016 13:04
Also, the ATC phrases are either US or ICAO specific, depending on your origin and destination airport. If you know what phrases are to expect, you will understand the phrases better.

Listen to this: https://youtu.be/ztkGTke-P8Y -- if you understand every word, you are the master of all masters :-)
|-|ardy

Hello |-|ardy,

the video you have posted made me think of the following hectic JFK exchange:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGfl0gidPi0

Anyway to have busy exchange at large airports (like JFK, LHR) like that?  :D :D

Oh and when I am at it, adding Kennedy Steve to JFK Tower/Ground would make the experience surreal. :)

On a more serious note, I have noticed that non-US based flight crews were not really fond of the radio exchange at JFK/EWR *there are plenty of threads over at a.net or pprune.org). US ATC uses a lot of non standard phrases (or just plain common language), which may be confusing to non-native speakers (see this example between JFK GND and IBE6250 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYwENiG3xys)

Cheers,
Andrej

Hardy Heinlin

Hi Andrej,

yes that video is a good example of a fast speaking ATC.

At this point in the video I don't understand the call sign: https://youtu.be/wGfl0gidPi0?t=20

It's a CAL Cargo Air Lines 744, and the call sign is CAL, the flight number is ICL931 (see FMC page title). I hear something like "Kal-O-nine thirty-one heavy". Or, if he says the last two digits only, and the letters C.A.L., then maybe "See Ay Al thirty-one heavy"?

The "O" would be the unwritten zero before 931 if the number appears in a 4-digit system. On the other hand, I don't think he would say "Qantas Oh Oh Oh 9" for "Qantas 9", for example, but just "Qantas niner" without leading zeros or Ohs.

I think he instructs "Kal-O-nine thirty-one heavy, descent and maintain 2000, expedite."

I hear "Kayo-Ann-thirty-one heavy-demaintain-2000-expedite."


Regards,

|-|ardy