1503 Nav Data

[United744]

This is bugging me now...

NTAA - official SID/STAR are not in the database
SCEL - some official SID/STAR are not in the database (SABLA1, TILKO1)

Anyone else with the latest nav data finding this?

[United744]

EDIT: I have the RNAV part of the approach (the approach itself) but not the STAR - TILKO1.

http://www.aipchile.cl/dasa/aip_chile_con_contenido/aipmap/SCEL/SCEL%20STAR14.pdf

Any ideas??? Does the nav data update include latest SIDs/STARs?

[double-alpha]

Hello' I haven't updated the AIRAC (I still use the old one in PSX), but I confirm I have all SID/STAR (RNAV 22, VOR, ILS 04x, y, z...) for NTAA.

[United744]

Thanks.

Do you specifically have the STARs SABLA1 and TILKO1?

I think all the runway approaches are present. It's the STARs (and SIDs in the case of NTAA) that were the problem.

[andrej]

Hello,

I am using the original database that came with PSX. Using quick DEP/ARR selection (6L and 6R keys on DEP/ARR page), NTAA has departure procedures (even RWYs), but there are no options for arrivals.

Departures





Arrivals



Cheers,

[United744]

Strange... What if you enter NTAA as arrival airport on the RTE page first? Does the "normal" ARR page show anything?

[andrej]

Hello,

so it seems that I was typing faster than CDU could handle. User error (I swear that I used the above mentioned procedure correctly, however the title states 'ARRIVALS' not 'NTAA ARRIVALS' as it should).

So corrected (and double checked):

ARRIVALS







[EDIT]

I am using latest version 10.0.3 - Beta 15 (on Win7).

Cheers,

[Will]

Looking at NTAA and comparing a set of paper charts from 9 February 2012 to the arrivals in the PSX FMC (cycle 1503), it looks like everything's there. I don't have any paper charts newer than that for NTAA.

[United744]

@andrej: what about SCEL? The charts there were from March 5th 2015.

@Will: interesting. The official AIP (as far as I could tell) were dated 2009!!! I'll get a link to the charts I used.

[andrej]

Hello,

running PSX 10.0.3 - Beta 15 (OSX), original NAV database.

for SCEL

DEP







ARR







Hope it helps.

Cheers,

[United744]

Intertesting...it wouild seem the SIDs/STARs did get updated then.

The problem is the arrivals as shown in the chart don't exist in the database.  :?

SCEL ARRIVALS:

[double-alpha]

I have the same DEP/ARR data than andrej for NTAA and SCEL, running PSX 10.0.3 , original NAV database

[torrence]

For what it's worth:  Getting up to date, legal world-wide charts for PS1/PSX database comparisons has always been tricky (see other posts).  Following site has Jepp charts for SCEL valid thru 23 Jan 2015 which seem to match the SCEL ARRIVALS in Peter's post OK (and my PSX 10.0.3 1503 DEP/ARR SCEL info).

 http://www.pentekesti.com/sites/default/files/charts/scel.pdf

For a community flying (virtually) everywhere in the world, the yearly updates for PSX seem to look ok - use paper/pdf charts of other vintages at your discretion   .

Cheers,
Torrence

[United744]

Most, if not all AIP are publicly available from official sources for free.

I linked what appears to be the official chart from the Chilean authorities (dated March 5th 2015, so should match the NAV data). The STAR is not present in the NAV DB, whilst the approach is.

[DougSnow]

One thing I noticed is that there are RNP AR Approaches in this navdata. I didn't think the 744 was capable of conducting RNP AR.  

For example, the navdata has the RNAV (RNP) Z Rwy 17R at KCOS - encoded as RNZ17R. But when you display the procedure in PLN Mode - the RF arc isn't a perfect arc - like it is when displayed on an ND for an aircraft capable of flying the procedure.

[Hardy Heinlin]

Please ignore the RNP procedures in the database. Also the piston engine procedures etc. There is no database filter re 744 type capability.

[United744]

Strange - the FMC appears to be RNAV capable. Is it not???

[Hardy Heinlin]

It can fly all RNAV legs except for RF legs. Most RNAV legs are not RF legs, so you can fly most RNAV legs anyway.