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PSX 10 Nightlighting

Started by SK10, Wed, 10 Sep 2014 05:47

SK10

Thanks,
wav files they are, if mono, I don't know...

Peter Lang

Hardy,

speaking about lighting... is there a possibility to remove the "shadow light" on the clock? When dimming the light in daylight condition the upper left area of the clock is darker than the remaing area.

Is there also a possibility to remove the reflection on the standby horizon?

Both would be great for cockpit building

Peter

Hardy Heinlin

#22
Peter,

I won't repaint the bitmaps. But you are free do it yourself, of course.

By the way, cockpit builders should set the sunlight intensity to "Fixed 24 hours" on Preferences > Basics.


|-|ardy

Phil Bunch

#23
I've very much enjoyed this thread partly involving perceived color effects, etc.  Some of my interest is associated with my pre-retirement career in medical imaging.  Resonating with and supporting Hardy's comments, we had to worry a *lot* about the perceived tint of displayed images (in real customer hands, with real customer lighting conditions) as well as the perceived tint of medical images, whether backlit film-based, LCD monitor-based, or traditional CRT-based.  Probably the biggest problem we had was that customers seldom calibrated or paid any attention to their display calibration or ambient lighting, but of course they always wanted to blame the hardware or software vendor(s).  

Dark adaptation and color perception changes associated with this is another issue, especially if you're comparing a monitor to a real (non-simulated) dark airliner.
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Additional factors that could be considered are accurate calibration and quality control of the monitor you're using, and the ambient light in your room (especially day vs night changes).  All of these parameters (and more) will likely affect your perceptions of color and relative color.  There is also a substantial variation from monitor to monitor and from variations in the age of the monitor and its built-in backlighting.  Unless calibration and QC are provided, it is unreasonable to expect monitor A to display the same colors as monitor B.

Fortunately, monitor calibration hardware and software is available, and easy to use.  Realistically, affordable instrumentation and software may not be perfectly stable or absolutely calibrated to high accuracy.  Nevertheless, I believe I benefit from the Datacolor Spyder hardware and software.  I was both surprised and pleased by the improvements and especially the daily and day vs night stability of my HP PC monitor after I installed this system.  The perceived whites were substantially changed with calibration (easily seen by switching the Datacolor system off/on) .  It has an ambient light sensor and uses it (plus software) to adjust the monitor's color tables.  

I don't believe Hardy can address these and related issues simply by adjusting his software!

BTW, I have no perceived lighting color issues as I systematically varied both the backlighting intensity and the flood lighting intensity in PSX, whether it's dark outside or daylight.  Thus, I wonder how much of these user issues are related to monitor calibration and/or ambient room lighting.

I hope these comments are helpful.

YMMV.
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Now if I could only remember where all the lighting control switches are and figure out how to find them and the battery switch a "cold, dark cockpit"!  I suggest that Hardy provide us a mouse-controlled virtual flashlight in a future alpha release!  (insert friendly grins here)
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch

farrokh747

#24
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/854477-REG/X_Rite_EO2PHO_11_Photo_Pro_2.html

http://xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1913

and http://www.eizo.com/global/products/coloredge/cg247/index.html

this one has it's own built in calibration device.....

Phil, this is what we use.... and you're absolutely right, discussions on monitor colour are inconclusive and subjective unless the user has calibrated his device...  I have daily head-banging sessions with clients who are looking at my files on an uncaliberated monitor (but it's too blue/green/pink/insert_color_here!) - or worse, on their blackberrys....  :-)

fc

farrokh747


John H Watson

Here's a shot I prepared earlier on my iPhone :mrgreen:

http://www.iinet.net.au/~b744er@ozemail.com.au/WhiteLight.jpg

On the phone's LCD display, there seemed to be a greater range of colours, i.e. from bright white to the other colours discussed here.

Note the "A/T ARM" in deep shadow, so perhaps very little ambient light to reflect the white paint of the lettering.

Rgds
JHW

Peter Lang

Quote from: Hardy HeinlinPeter,

I won't repaint the bitmaps. But you are free do it yourself, of course.

By the way, cockpit builders should set the sunlight intensity to "Fixed 24 hours" on Preferences > Basics.


|-|ardy


Ok, thank you. Will check the "Fixed 24 hours" Option.

Peter

farrokh747

#28
http://farrokhchothia.com/...

peter you can try this Mod visuals folder for cockpits.... please back up your existing visuals folder!

fc


Edit HH: Link removed (these copyrighted files are for licensed PSX users only, not for the public)

Edit FC: Noted HH, Apologies..

martin

Here is the solution for the cockpit "white light" hating pinkies.

And for the discerning Home Cockpit builder (who will model even the roof escape hatch which Maintenance forgot to close), see here.

Spectrally,
Martin

Hessel Oosten

Also more or less the same discussion on fora about the "right color" of Boeing brown of Boeing gray.

* I've 2 original audioselector panels with rather different browns, so they are produced in different colors.

* Furthermore the type of picture you are looking at, can be very different: sunny or cloudy day, direct or in-direct light etc.

* And many people forget that the strong influence of U.V. light in the many years of a cockpit interior, has a substantional influence on the color !

Hessel

[size=8]But a pink cockpit, no that's (only slightly ...) wrong.... :)[/size]

Peter Lang

#31
Quote from: farrokh747peter you can try this Mod visuals folder for cockpits.... please back up your existing visuals folder!

fc

Thank you Farrokh,

this saves a lot of work :-)

Peter

Matt Sheil

Quote from: martinHere is the solution for the cockpit "white light" hating pinkies.

And for the discerning Home Cockpit builder (who will model even the roof escape hatch which Maintenance forgot to close), see here.

Spectrally,
Martin
Martin, you really are one disturbed individual  :)

Will

Will /Chicago /USA

Peter Lang

Quote from: Hardy HeinlinBy the way, cockpit builders should set the sunlight intensity to "Fixed 24 hours" on Preferences > Basics.

|-|ardy

Hi Hardy,

setting the sunlight intensity to 24 hours does not solve this:
http://www.hoppie.nl/forum/var/clock.jpg

Peter

Phil Bunch

Quote from: Peter LangHi Hardy,

setting the sunlight intensity to 24 hours does not solve this:
http://www.hoppie.nl/forum/var/clock.jpg

Peter

I want this clock face on my Apple iWatch!!  (grins)
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch

farrokh747

#36
Peter -

the stby attitude glass reflection is a bitmap/image and can be removed, but the chrono  face and markings, or the glare shadow effects don't appear to be jpgs/gifs/images, and I don't think they can be directly modified....  AFAIK

Are you running your panel floodlighting PSX>I/O>Dimmer>lamps ?

fc

martin

Quote from: MattMartin, you really are one disturbed individual
Took you 15 years to figure that out, Matt?   :mrgreen:  

[size=8](I've always been trying to sell this kind of thing to my superiors as "thinking out of the box", but they didn't buy it, with predictable results.)
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Cheers,
Martin

Hardy Heinlin

#38
Quote from: Peter Langsetting the sunlight intensity to 24 hours does not solve this
Hi Peter,

the "24 hours" feature is not designed to remove the shadows, it just keeps the daylight on the panels at a constant low level. The flood lights will still change the flight deck brightness.

To get rid of this slight shadow effect on the clock lettering, just turn up the backlight brightness  above ca. 5% or so. That's already enough. Normally you'll probably have it between 40% and 80% anyway.


Cheers,

|-|ardy

Peter Lang

Quote from: Hardy HeinlinTo get rid of this slight shadow effect on the clock lettering, just turn up the backlight brightness  above ca. 5% or so. That's already enough. Normally you'll probably have it between 40% and 80% anyway.

Ok, thank you
Peter