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Printed manual

Started by xanix1, Wed, 6 Aug 2014 02:37

xanix1

Is there any chance down the track for printed manual for the PSX as a seperated purchase?
Thankyou in advance. ;)

Hardy Heinlin

There is a chance, for the future. But not now.

Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers

#2
The question has been asked before. Common opinion was that all digital copy shops out there should be able to get you a professionally printed and bound, very pretty book for a fistful of dollars. Nearly no other production process would come even close in price/performance for the quantities needed.


Hoppie

xanix1

Thankyou guys for your reply. :)

GodAtum

#4
For anyone in the UK, this coil printing seems good value:

https://www.bookprintinguk.com/index.php

brian747

Hmm, I just tried their online quote and it won't allow me to enter more than 500 sides, spiral bound....   (Hardy's manual has 600 pages, as you know).   8-\\

So I spoke to my local printer. Apparently their spiral bind machine can't manage 600 pages, either. So as two sections of roughly 300 pages they quoted me around £170....



Cheers,

Brian
(Author of "The Big Tutorial" for PS1, and "Getting started with PSX" Parts 1, 2, and 3).

GodAtum

#6
Quote from: brian747Hmm, I just tried their online quote and it won't allow me to enter more than 500 sides, spiral bound....   (Hardy's manual has 600 pages, as you know).   8-

So I spoke to my local printer. Apparently their spiral bind machine can't manage 600 pages, either. So as two sections of roughly 300 pages they quoted me around £170....



Cheers,

Brian

I think 600 pages is 600 sides, Hardy can correct me if I am wrong? So you could print double sided?

Walter Kranl

600 pages are 300 sheets.

Walter

DrRSG

Quote from: brian747Hmm, I just tried their online quote and it won't allow me to enter more than 500 sides, spiral bound....   (Hardy's manual has 600 pages, as you know).   8-

So I spoke to my local printer. Apparently their spiral bind machine can't manage 600 pages, either. So as two sections of roughly 300 pages they quoted me around £170....



Cheers,

Brian
Hi Brian, is your Big Tutorial still available anywhere?

Thanks

Richard
Richard

Hardy Heinlin

http://aerowinx.com/html-old/brian_tutorial.html

(I wouldn't mind if the passwords were now open to everyone.)


|-|ardy

DrRSG

Quote from: Hardy Heinlinhttp://aerowinx.com/html-old/brian_tutorial.html

(I wouldn't mind if the passwords were now open to everyone.)


|-|ardy
Many thanks Hardy. Still waiting here for PSX from Transair.

Richard
Richard

GodAtum

Quote from: rsgodfrey
Quote from: Hardy Heinlinhttp://aerowinx.com/html-old/brian_tutorial.html

(I wouldn't mind if the passwords were now open to everyone.)


|-|ardy
Many thanks Hardy. Still waiting here for PSX from Transair.

Richard

Awesome, thanks Hardy and Richard, looking forward to being able to view the tutorials :)

Russell Too

Hi Brian:
Just received the following e-mail/

Product:   Paperback Book
Colour or Black and White:   Colour
Size:   A5
Number of pages:   600
Number of copies:   1
Portrait/Landscape:    Portrait
Inside Pages:    120gsm
Cover Thickness:    250gsm
Cover Finish:    Matt
Supplying files:    Print Ready Pdfs
Quoted Price:    £56.00

Try entering the above details,

Kind regards Russell

GodAtum

Quote from: Russell TooHi Brian:
Just received the following e-mail/

Product:   Paperback Book
Colour or Black and White:   Colour
Size:   A5
Number of pages:   600
Number of copies:   1
Portrait/Landscape:    Portrait
Inside Pages:    120gsm
Cover Thickness:    250gsm
Cover Finish:    Matt
Supplying files:    Print Ready Pdfs
Quoted Price:    £56.00

Try entering the above details,

Kind regards Russell

Hi Russell,

Just to clarify, is the manual 300 or 600 double sided-pages?

Phil Bunch

Is the use of a monitor-compatible PDF format instead of a print-compatible (CMYK, etc) PDF a significant issue?  I have Adobe Acrobat Xi Professional and may be able to figure out how to convert the file it the permissions in the original PDF allow for this.

I also wonder if we could find an international printing service that would create durable printed manuals at a discount if the PSX crowd agreed to a minimum volume or a negotiated price or both?  Given the price of the software I don't mind spending some extra for a durable manual, probably spiral-bound, and perhaps featuring thicker, acid-free paper that will last longer.  

Does anyone have a recommended national chain for such printing jobs that they would recommend for this manual?  The only national chain printing/copying store that I know about in my area is Staples, which seems to mostly feature high-volume photocopiers and printers, plus some binding capabilities.  I think Office Max isn't here any more.
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch

Hardy Heinlin

#15
QuoteSupplying files: Print Ready Pdfs
As I said in another thread, the PDF is optimized for screen reading (RGB color profile), not for professional printing (no CMYK color profile).

The brilliant EFIS colors that shine on the screen cannot be reproduced by paper prints. For example, the light green CDU font in the chapter "FMS" will appear dark green on the paper, and almost sink into the black background.

Remember, what you see on the screen is active light, and what you see on paper is passive light; its color space is much smaller than that of a monitor.

So, if you print this PDF, please don't expect a professional color design on the paper. The printer cannot reproduce all monitor colors. (This is a physical law, not a bug.)


Regards,

|-|ardy

Phil Bunch

Another question - would it be informative to use the manual excerpt that Hardy previously posted to try out a printing service for the manual?  I am finding a wide range of services at Staples.com, which is conveniently located with respect to my home.

They want 0.42 US dollars per page for a letter-sized (8.5 x 11 inch) print, and $.085 US dollars per black-and-white page.

I have a high-speed black-and-white laser printer at home that costs me about $0.035 US dollars per black-and-white page, and it prints on both sides of the paper.  It is rated for fairly high volume printing, so I may just try the home printing route.  The difficult part is binding the thing - I assume that Staples or any mass market printing services store would do this as an inexpensive service.

Plan B (or maybe Plan A?) is to use my iPad to view and annotate the PDF version of the manual - that way I can add and remove annotations, notes, and bookmarks with the Goodreader app that I use for such purposes.  Why bother with a paper manual?
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch

Hardy Heinlin

If there is a great demand for a printed book, we might produce one later. By "we" I mean Aerosoft and me; we considered this already a few weeks ago. But only if there is a great demand. I would have to redesign most of the illustrations for CMYK optimization.


|-|ardy

Ray_CYYZ

Might I suggest you go get a little 7" epub reader or tablet for the express purpose of holding PDFs/Manuals/etc. I have a little Kobo Arc that I got on sale for $99 that holds all my PDFs.

a) It has Search

b) It has Bookmarks

c) It has Color

I retired my last page of Post-It notes many years ago.

Phil Bunch

I just tried printing the first 20 pages from the sample manual, in BW on my home laser printer.  I printed 2 pages per US letter size sheet, on both sides of the paper.  In a BW laser printer, the gray scale quality is of course not very good compared to the beautiful colors in the PDF file.  The text quality is excellent but the colored and shaded sections and subpanels in the manual print very unattractively in half-tone mode on most laser printers.  Ink jet printers in color would presumably be much too expensive to use, unless a high-volume commercial printer could be used.

In thinking further about this, I tentatively believe I will be quite happy with an iPad-based manual, viewed and annotated via the Goodreader app.  I have quite a few other PDF-based aviation books and manuals in various Goodreader folders, so they're always at hand.  

Perhaps this is similar to how modern pilots manage much of their printed manuals these days, as best I can follow modern trends.  Do they still carry huge briefcases with tons of paper manuals on flights?   In a real airplane I would worry that software bugs or an iPad failure would create difficulties if I didn't have any paper manuals or charts.

Still, many people still prefer printed material for many or most things.  My partner for example, is in that category, seemingly based on a her life history with much-loved paper books.  In contrast, I prefer ebooks since I can carry almost my whole active personal library with me in my shirt pocket or by hand.  Also, I don't have to worry about leaving books all over the house and having partner-distressing piles of books and magazines all around the house.  

Now I need to scan several boxes of 747- and aviation-related paper books into PDFs before my partner once again becomes distressed by my special interests/hobbies and their paper books and manuals!  

I am so far very grateful that the PSX manual is a PDF!  YMMV.
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch