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Started by farrokh747, Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:10

farrokh747

Folks....  Any Pat Metheny people out there...?

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Hardy Heinlin

This thread is so lonely, I'll add a new question:

In this movement of Stravinsky's Violin Concerto in D there is a phrase that reminds of a pop song from the sixties, but I can't recall the title. I need to know it, or else I can't sleep tonight. The song consists of vocal parts and an instrumental hook line. This hook line can be found here, for example:

00:40 - 00:50
03:20 - 03:29

At http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyOPUYps0oE

(Not the best version, for my taste. I like Hilary Hahn's interpretion much better, but couldn't find her on youtube.)


||ardy

Peter Lang

Hello Hardy,

it remembers me of  this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jloDTKiH2ew

but I think there will be more similar in the universe

Peter

Hardy Heinlin

Hi Peter,

no, that's not the one I'm looking for :-)


Cheers,

|-|ardy

Shiv Mathur

Doesn't remind me of any pop song I've heard.

You're sure it's not reminding you of some Bach?  I find some similarities ... perhaps
Brandenburg Concerto-ish.

shiv

Hardy Heinlin

Sure no Bach. English lyrics. 20th century, somewhere between 1950 and 1975 :-)

The chorus voice goes roughly like this (every character is an eighth note, "_" is an eight pause):

_ _ g g e _ d _ c d _ e _ _ _ _

_ _ a g a _ g _ a g _ e _ d c _

Repeat 2 times, then there's another part, and then comes the violin solo, a bit gypsy-like. Fast and many staccatos. Maybe it's not a genuine violin but a sixties e-organ.

The lyrics might contain something like "When we're walking in the rain". Not exactly, just something like that. Something with "walking" probably.

Hehe.


|-|ardy

Shiv Mathur

Aha !!! Your first seven notes did the trick ... it's "Runaway" !

(Used to play this song with my group! -- in the eighties.)

Whew ... you can sleep well now!


shiv

Shiv Mathur


Hardy Heinlin

Yeah!

What a relief!

I knew I can rely on this forum :-)


Good night,

|-|ardy (22 h work behind me)

farrokh747

Shiv you sir are a genius....


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Phil Bunch

There are web pages and apps that can identify songs if you hum or sing a line or two.  

Of course Shiv did it only using his brain!!!
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch

Shiv Mathur

#11
Cap'n fc,

Haha ... I guess it's just one genius helping out another !!!

Seriously, though, Hardy had given the notes and rhythms so precisely,
that there was no doubt.

Shiv Mathur

Quote from: Phil BunchThere are web pages and apps that can identify songs if you hum or sing a line or two.  

Of course Shiv did it only using his brain!!!


Well, Phil, if I hadn't known the song, no brain work would have helped!
I could only get it after Hardy gave us the notes with their rhythm.
I didn't get it all from the Stravinsky video.

But yes, there are such sites ... one very nice one is http://www.musipedia.org/
but I think they concentrate more on classical and folk music. But I'm going there right now to check!

Hardy Heinlin

Good morning,

so, does anybody hear the similarity between that Stravinsky phrase and the solo in "Runaway"?


|-|ardy

Shiv Mathur

Only now that you've pointed it out, Hardy!

I think it's chiefly this phrase (in the Stravinsky):

a _ g# a e c,   a _ g# a g# a e c

followed a (3/4) bar later by:

g f# g d b g  .....


[size=8]Incidentally, the Bach guess was not too absurd, seeing that this is one of
Stravinsky's 'Neo-Classical' works ... (should rather be called 'Neo-Baroque', IMO.)[/size]

Pierre Theillere

Hi Hardy and Shiv!

Now you know which song will fill my mind during whole day! I guess it had been over 10 years since I last heard that one... so thanks a lot for the nice guess and tip!
I'll also have a look (or is it an ear?) to the Hardy's Bach Concerto in D!
Pierre, LFPG

Hardy Heinlin

Hi,

Pierre, this song is an earworm indeed. I got it, too :-)

Shiv, exactly! Although Bach (and perhaps early classics like Mozart's Turkish March), too, may got inspired by even older traditionals from the oriental (and south european) regions: that phrase reminds of the Gypsy Scale (Wikipedia: "Hungarian minor scale").

Quote from: Shiv Mathura _ g# a e c, a _ g# a g# a e c

I think, if you put a strong vibrato on this long tone " a _ ", vibrating between g# and a 2 times per fourth note (i.e. g# a g# a, each one a 16th note), then it gets a wild gypsy-violinesque character; and if you play these 16th notes not as a vibration but straight as a trill on a keyboard or flute, then you get that baroque character.

Pop music inspired by Neo-classics.
Neo-classics inspired by classics.
Classics inspired by baroque.
Baroque inspired by medieval folk.
Medieval folk inspired by antique folk.
Antique folk inspired by stone age folk.
Stone age folk inspired by animal music.


:-)

|-|ardy

Will

Apropos of nothing, I've been listening to Renaissance liturgical music lately. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I find it haunting and spare and beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OHkVV4qGXI&feature=relmfu
Will /Chicago /USA

martin

Thanks for that link, Will.

A peek into the haunting, spare and beautiful future:  Here's the choir Hardy's going to join after the release of PSX. Can you spot HH* ?

Cheers,
Martin

* remember to temporally extrapolate to until after the release of PSX.

Hardy Heinlin

Quote from: martinA peek into the haunting, spare and beautiful future:  Here's the choir

A pity ...

Quote from: "Youtube"Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights.