When I develop complicated things, I need absolute silence. When I do graphical work, I need good music.
I just stumbled on this youtube clip: Stravinsky's Firebird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk0I4XRc92k&feature=endscreen&NR=1
You must listen* to that change at 5:17. So fantastic. What a resolution! I could hear this all the time.
5:16 ... 5:17 ... 5:18 ...
5:17
5:17
* Only if you have hi-fi, otherwise you'll miss that deep warm tone, that's essential. It won't work on laptop tweeters.
Interestingly, in this performance ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVuc19PbeQU&feature=related
... the change I mentioned sounds a little less fantastic, for my taste. In this clip it's at 8:46. In the former version, that deep drum comes slightly laid back, i.e. with an intentional delay, the whole orchestra sound at that point unfolds more slowly, more beautiful, whereas this version sounds more stiff, less relaxed.
This ballet may also inspire fans of Kiss and Alice Cooper :-) -- Stravinsky did it already 100 years ago.
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Nice, indeed.
Does it have to be classical music? :->
I prefer more pushy stuff (probably an age thing) when I work
at the computer and tend to get into a flow, while fading out
the music in the background. Once in a while there is a breakthrough
like the tone you mentioned above and that really fires me up.
One example is here at 3:41 and even more at 6:24 the when the melody
returns:
http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Jamaica/3C6U9i?src=5
Can't run that grooveshark site. Too slow. Too much advertising.
Is that song also on youtube?
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoArFyov0II
I can't hear anything special at 3:41 on the youtube version, but at 3:47 that repeated picked string sounds arrhythmically delayed. Did you mean this?
Greetings, Hardy
I fully agree that the first video sounds much warmer and smoother
than the second. Do you think part of the reason is the recording quality?
Amazingly, there is actually no drum at the place you mention (although
it certainly sounds like it). It's actually the Contrabasses playing (a 5th) pizzicato.
Here's the 2 bars leading to it:
(http://shivmathur.in/misc/firebird4.jpg)
which segues to ... THE MOMENT !
(http://shivmathur.in/misc/firebird2.jpg)
(The Contrabass, of course, play an octave lower than written.)
Interesting, I thought.
shiv
Hi Shiv,
I didn't mean to say that the audio quality is warmer (although it might be true), but that in Gergiev's version the said part sounds more laid back, more relaxed, intentionally slightly delayed. The tempo slows down for a moment, I think. It's perfect. It feels like gliding into a warm bed. Interesting that the whole bass region is filled only by picked contrabasses. In Gergiev's version, the bass tone comes about 200 ms after the other instruments, although it's synchroneously noted in the score. Thanks for the pics! For my taste, the bass area must have this delay, it's the only correct interpretation. It's like moving a mountain, like putting a tired mountain to bed. A pity that this fantastic moment takes only a fraction of a second :-)
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Quote from: Hardy HeinlinInteresting that the whole bass region is filled only by picked contrabasses.
And a sustained Eflat in the 'cellos.
shiv
Quote from: Hardy Heinlinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoArFyov0II
I can't hear anything special at 3:41 on the youtube version, but at 3:47 that repeated picked string sounds arrhythmically delayed. Did you mean this?
No, I mean the moment when the melody sets in again at 6:24.
Not just a tone like in your example, but it basically catches my
attention there and pets my nucleus accumbens. Now thats a
musical highlight to me *g*
Btw. I am surprised about your circadian rythm... is it free running,
you don't seem to sleep at night? Is that the sacrifice one has to
give to program a flightdeck? :shock:
Since I was born my circadian rythm has been running on a 25-hour-cycle. Nature and culture runs 4% faster than I do. Every 25 days I'm resynchronized with the sun. -- It was a hard time for me in the old schooldays etc., I was always tired because of my missing 25th hour.
Fun to read:
Early research into circadian rhythms suggested that most people preferred a day closer to 25 hours when isolated from external stimuli like daylight and timekeeping. However, this research was faulty because it failed to shield the participants from artificial light. Although subjects were shielded from time cues (like clocks) and daylight, the researchers were not aware of the phase-delaying effects of indoor electric lights.[27] The subjects were allowed to turn on light when they were awake and to turn it off when they wanted to sleep. Electric light in the evening delayed their circadian phase. These results became well-known.[28]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm
Get outside more! :mrgreen:
Quote from: Jeroen HoppenbrouwersGet outside more! :mrgreen:
I doesn't help.
I even sleep deeply with the window curtains open in daylight.
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P.S.: The reversed conclusion would be: People with a 23-hour-cycle, I mean those who start to sing at 5 am and go to bed at 20 pm, would get too much sunlight. Not logical. The sunlight has nothing to do with it.
Indeed, because you just described me, and there is plenty of sunlight here.
Quote from: ShivIt's actually the Contrabasses playing (a 5th) pizzicato.
A 5th? Please explain.
Sorry, I didn't put that clearly. I meant the musical (scale) interval of a 5th.
They're playing E flat and B flat together ... interval of a 5th.
(http://shivmathur.in/misc/firebird5.jpg)
This, for example, is music that goes directly into my heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbcuteYm-EA
Here I can't name any special highlight as this masterpiece is one continuous highlight from the first tone on.
I've learned when Williams wrote this piece he had an English landscape in mind. I for one see a Chinese landscape. This kind of pentatonic scale always reminds me of East Asia (or native American, but that's indirectly Asian, too, thanks to the Siberian bridge 20000 years ago).
Anyway, I think this young solo violonist, Janine Jansen, is a super talent. Technically and emotionally in the same high category as master Hilary Hahn, I'd say.
Unfortunately, the above clip with Janine Jansen is a live recording with audience: of course, there's always someone coughing in the most silent parts. I think these coughing people are afraid of coughing in the most silent parts, it's a kind of phobia. Because of their fear of coughing they get a dry throat causing a cough reflex. -- Funny also how the BBC presenter introduces the concert, he sounds like introducing a football game.
Here's the same piece played by Hahn during a studio session and without coughing*:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSywq_lIBlM
6:40 and on. (Some Bach before that.)
Absolutely fantastic. The clip shows only some fragments, though. I just ordered the CD, finally; I watched that interview already some years ago but didn't buy that CD for some reasons.
The Lark Ascending -- I think it's a must have for all aeronauts. Imagine you're just waking up after a long sleep at flight level 350 and the dawn begins over an Asian landscape (or whereever) ...
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* Almost. At 8:48 someone somewhere in the studio house starts coughing :-)
Shiv: got it. It is just that "a fifth" for me triggers a bar division time scale reference, not a tone interval (quint).
Quote from: Hardy HeinlinImagine you're just waking up after a long sleep at flight level 350 and the dawn begins over an Asian landscape (or whereever) ...
Been there, done that :mrgreen:
The next WorldFlight we need to pay attention to what music is played on the flight deck when we're
not recording music videos.
I always liked the way the Dutch radio coverage of le Tour de France, which is heavily traditional with a basic format that has not changed for a long time and likely won't soon, puts a specific piece of music on as permanent background (not in the way, but louder when nobody reports) during the last one or two kms of a day. It still unconsciously triggers my attention and draws me to the nearest live coverage just to watch the final.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5c4Pf--55sNotice there is no 'climax' point -- it is in no way timed like a film score, it is just a recognizable tune for a specific phase of the race.
We could play something like this for each WorldFlight leg, below 3000 ft AGL.
Jeroen
Quote from: Jeroen HoppenbrouwersShiv: got it. It is just that "a fifth" for me triggers a bar division time scale reference, not a tone interval (quint).
Ah, okay. Yes, differences in terminology can lead to misunderstandings.
In fact, I was just thinking that for Hardy (and you?) B flat is actually
B, and B natural is H !
Vive la différence ! [size=8](... to introduce yet another language.)[/size]
If you mention B in an English sentence, I take it as the fifth of E.
Wenn Du B erwähnst in einem deutschen Satz, I take it as the fifth of E flat.
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I too feel that Lark Ascending is a tremendous piece of music.
However, for me, music for a long night flight into sunrise just has to be Sibelius' tone poem "Nightride and Sunrise". The recording under Eugen Jochum is one of the best on YouTube:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9s3M7QWEa8
Quote from: Hardy Heinlinmy circadian rythm has been running on a 25-hour-cycle
Here's why. (possibly substitute "monitor" for "artificial light") :shock: ----> :'( ----> :roll: ----> 8) ----> :P
[...must read whole thread before posting. must read whole thread before posting. must read...]
By the way, talk about constructing a simulator in your bedroom. There are so many parallels in this video, I feel right at home.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIEN9TwK5gI
And then of course there are the simulators of something that does not exist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo
Sheer beauty.
Jeroen
Quote from: mcdonarI too feel that Lark Ascending is a tremendous piece of music.
However, for me, music for a long night flight into sunrise just has to be Sibelius' tone poem "Nightride and Sunrise". The recording under Eugen Jochum is one of the best on YouTube:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9s3M7QWEa8
Thanks for the tip. I like that, too. I mean the music. The video is obviously just a random sequence of dawn pictures. When I hear the music and close my eyes, I see the colors coming in a different timing, like this:
0:00: Dark blue, reverberation in a forest
0:58: Dark blue turns to mid blue
2:22: Some orange spots added over mid blue
2:35: Some birds wake up
2:48: A few smiling yellow beams added over mid blue
3:18: The sun body comes in view (trumpets play a sort of "mini" version of "Thus spake Zarathustra")
4:50: Sun body comes completely in view
5:10: Very hot beam added, slowly increasing
5:18: All mid blue gone
Cheers,
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Edit: I just wondered if the part from 3:18 to 4:50 could be real time. The width of the sun disc is about 0.5°. It takes ca. 2 minutes for the earth to rotate by 0.5°.
...and Flight of the 747 Bumblebee at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHZvMAJUN5g!
On the pedals ... Remarkable!
Technically extremely difficult and very well done, but I don't actually like the music. With this kind of performance, you make the spectators wow, and I would applaud, but I would not buy the CD. Very good for intermezzos though.
Exactly! ... I had forwarded the link to some of my musical
friends with the disclaimer:
" Maybe not brilliantly musical, but a nice party trick, at least. "
shiv
Quote from: Hardy HeinlinI think these coughing people are afraid of coughing in the most silent parts, it's a kind of phobia. Because of their fear of coughing they get a dry throat causing a cough reflex.
Occam's Razor sez: What these people are really afraid of is probably silence...
:mrgreen:
Well, in terms of bluff organ playing, Keith Emerson deserves a place of honour anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T97KbV_mq0&t=1m20s
PS: no organs were killed for this performance, but they surely got abused.
To remain on topic: the panel you see below is from a 747-100 Flight Engineer Station, with a few Service Bulletins applied to it.
(http://www.hoppie.nl/tmp/keith-emerson.jpg)
Quote from: Jeroen HoppenbrouwersTo remain on topic: the panel you see below is from a 747-100 Flight Engineer Station, with a few Service Bulletins applied to it.
Indeed, this is another example of the similarity of aviators and music makers, especially conductors. Or take the control room of a recording studio:
- Two wings left and right (various large and small speakers)
- Multi-shielded glass window in the middle (slanted to avoid resonance)
- Zillions of gauges, switches, levers in front of you and at the side panels
- Powerful sound
- You set the direction and steer
- You're in an artificial capsule flying through a filtered, beautiful world
The same aesthetics can be applied to live PA mixing, just replace the studio window by a stage -- maybe even wrapped in dry ice clouds :-)
If you ask me, aviation is music.
-o-
Quote from: Jeroen HoppenbrouwersWell, in terms of bluff organ playing, Keith Emerson deserves a place of honour anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T97KbV_mq0&t=1m20s
Nice one, impressive playing! The beginning reminded me of
a Frumpy song... *g* ... which leads me to another highlight...
no electro this time :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee7e5G60lbk&feature=related(the hot part starts at 3:40)
I love contrast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rv1CTZSIU0
Some time ago I saw a TV documentary here, about how this LC/RRAC co-operation was established. Talk about the meeting of two alien cultures...
But they succeeded just fine; Music is Music, apparently. For someone having grown up in the Cold War (West), it was very impressive, and truly heart-warming to watch.
See also here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKeXn13xW84) (and my favourite scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lzXW92Zht8) from that concert (around 1:11) )
на здоровье,
M
For those who like medieval music combined with modern elements:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S0IOY6IsfA
The band doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately. They played a broad spectrum of medieval styles and lyrics (French, Spanish, German etc.), partially also with African and Asian elements. I found theirs shows to be perfectly in balance between seriousness and humor.
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In a certain way Adaro always reminds me of Dead Can Dance. They also use a good mix of modern and older traditional instruments.
Dead Can Dance will play in Utecht this year, unfortunately I am only able to buy tickets double of the original price...
One of their most popular songs with superb singer Lisa Gerrard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhVM930YXY
Nice. I think I hear what you mean, there are some similarities ...
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Re http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk0I4XRc92k&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Quote from: Shiv MathurGreetings, Hardy
I fully agree that the first video sounds much warmer and smoother
than the second. Do you think part of the reason is the recording quality?
Amazingly, there is actually no drum at the place you mention (although
it certainly sounds like it). It's actually the Contrabasses playing (a 5th) pizzicato.
Here's the 2 bars leading to it:
which segues to ... THE MOMENT !
(The Contrabass, of course, play an octave lower than written.)
Interesting, I thought.
shiv
I just learned that the video shows the second version of The Firebird from 1919 (the first version is from 1910). In the second version he added percussion, harp and piano. Maybe there is a soft drum sound under the contrabass pizzicato and the scores are from 1910? :-) Ah, whatever. Probably not :-) Anyway, I just had to order that DVD before it's sold out.
Cheers,
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Hardy, the part you are referring to (the Berceuse movement) was not part of the 1910/1911 Suite at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Firebird#1911_Suite_.28aka_.22Concert_suite_for_orchestra_No._1.22.29
The excerpt below is from the 1919 Suite:
(http://bandwagon.in/shiv/firebird.jpg)
Just as a matter of interest.
Shiv
Ah, interesting!
Thank you, Shiv!
Cheers,
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For those looking for more Kate Bush music but can't find more Kate Bush music because the number of albums she has made is limited for biological reasons, here's another example of a similar genre, based on the same singing technique that Kate Bush has been using, a technique from the Far East, a technique that is probably thousands of years old, this is the warmth in the timbre what I miss in many, not in all, but in many western female classic singers:
Gong Linna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4dAB4SlMc
This is my Eurovision winner this year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjm-kCOMaPY
I watched it on TV this morning and thought, "I like it". I just watched it again on YouTube and thought, "wow, I love it".
I'd even go so far and say this is the best Eurovision performance I have ever seen (well, I haven't seen many :-), it's not my kind of genre actually).
This -- is AIRLINER music! :-)
Heavy, flying, cool, blue, a combination of technic & nature, relaxed, yet powerful -- musically as well as visually. Her body is truly aerodynamically shaped. Nice dress. Good moves. Beautiful stage design. Excellent screen director work, it supports the music perfectly, for my taste.
Now they've also re-introduced Hitchcock's good old dolly zoom: Check out 2:26 and 2:32.
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iStage design. Shiny black, bright white spot LED-like lights, nearly shiny white dress. Apple.
Quote from: Hardy HeinlinThis -- is AIRLINER music! :-)
I still like this one better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvOfZSn6qAk&t=3m52s:-D
Ah, Apple has introduced "polished black" in the computer world only. But they didn't invent it. Take a black polished piano from the 1900s and someone lying on it in a white dress (a woman or Elvis) ... :-)
So you associate airliner music with highway-to-hell music, Jeroen? :-)
The second winner this year, for my taste (probably not so mass audience compatible):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CSbY7j0DLA
Towards the end it gets tina-turner-esque.
Quote from: Hardy HeinlinI watched it on TV this morning and thought, "I like it". I just watched it again on YouTube and thought, "wow, I love it".
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Hi Hardy,
you have time to watch TV? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
So the completion of PSX can't be far away :)
Greetings and nice Pfingsten
Quote from: Hardy HeinlinThis is my Eurovision winner this year:
But I must say, after listening five times, these songs get on my nerves :-)
(As I said, it's not really my kind of music.)
Eurovision songs have to be as simple as possible, otherwise you have no chance. You have to reach the audience within three minutes.
The disadvantage of this simplicity: the songs get boring when listening to them more than once.
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Isn't this true with most commercial music these days? And not just music -- anything must reach the intended eyeballs/eardrums in less than 15 seconds or else it is skipped/zapped/...
If selling ads around media consumption is the target, the bait isn't going to get much artistic freedom. The performance must perform. That's all.
Hoppie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8sLmx2Oz6Y&t=0m38s
@falconeye
I think doing enjoyable things which do not have to do with the
product itself is part of the productive process.
I few days ago I thought how it would feel to be in Hardys position
of creating things for years and working towards one goal.
Every day you encounter a new problem and think "uh, *-/%&§$$!!!",
however the next day you wake up and suddenly know the solution
and continue working. I imagine it is boring and intense at the same time.
Uh, got offtopic here. Okay, here is some music. Not exactly a
highlight, but very unique: :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo
Just to clarify.
Of course this was meant as as yoke. Hardy can watch TV as much as he likes.
But I agree with you, sometimes you have the best ideas when you do something completly different and suddenly get the flash for the solution.
One word to the Eurovision. I think for Germany "La Brass Banda" would have been the much better represents. Some time ago I heard them playing live, and they are all very good musicians, especially Stefan Dettl and they create a fantastic "Stimmung" comparable with the Oktoberfest. Their music is really unique. Unfortunately they only were 2nd on the German preliminary decision.
Greetings
I just discovered this.
Just perfect -- technically and emotionally. Awesome!
Until now I thought this master piece is best interpreted by Hilary and Nigel, for my taste; but this woman is now also on my list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0rN43q6jo
She adds even more of those flighterotic glissandos that Nigel Kennedy introduced in his interpretations.
}{ardy
Another fantastic, relaxed version of The Lark ...
Must share this. For every aviator out there.
https://youtu.be/2H6J-PiVIoI
\-/ardy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOV2mONU8a0
the amazing and very young joey alexander.....
for the jazz people
fc
He's good! It's kind of refreshing to see a child prodigy play something other than classical standards.
Another song around the world:
https://youtu.be/GJtq6OmD-_Y
Stravinsky's Firebird in a hangar at the Paris-Charles-de-Gaulle airport:
https://youtu.be/WH8WSPPq6a4
Mikhail Gorbachev's "Songs for Raisa"
https://youtu.be/_pfJIokpUtk (https://youtu.be/_pfJIokpUtk)
Quote from: Hardy Heinlin on Thu, 15 Dec 2022 13:12Stravinsky's Firebird in a hangar at the Paris-Charles-de-Gaulle airport:
https://youtu.be/WH8WSPPq6a4
Nice find, Hardy! A British classical conductor who also works as a co-pilot for Air France. I'd thought he was on the 777 but this is presumbaly an A350.
Thank you guys sharing so much good music. I just found this post so late. Haha. I am so surprised that Hardy is also a classical music lover. I knew Hardy's music on his video about a right wing cabin view in 744 when approaching KaiTak Hong Kong. It was a klm if I remember correctly. I can't find this video anymore which I watched at about 20 years ago on YouTube. If Hardy would love to share again, it will be perfect.
Thank you for sharing the Firebird. That's amazing performance both in music and dance, specially in a hanger!
Just to share my recent performance with my orchestra.
https://youtu.be/F_OAzVjDWLY
I miss my Orchestra, all the musician and audience. Due to the spreading Covid pandemic in China, I don't think any performance will go in couple months.
Best wishes to all people.
Jack
Wow, your orchestra sounds powerful, Jack, and I think you're looking great :-) Would love to see more of your work. I remember a video clip of you conducting an orchestra in the USA.
It's also nice to see so many music lovers here on the forum, and there are some top musicians here as well. Music and aviation is nearly the same, isn't it? :-)
My musical taste is not limited to rock. My palette is pretty large: Classic, baroque, medieval, experimental, pop, soul, folk etc. and that on all continents around the globe, west, east, north, south ... all the elements are connected with each other and develop further from generation to generation because everyone inspires everyone and everybody learns new combinations from everybody ...
Cheers,
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You asked for my little Kai Tak clip :-) https://youtu.be/UeAToe8dV88
My amateur fumbling around near pipe organs pales in comparison with the pros here, but at least I can push some nice work by Japanese musicians that dare to cross imaginary boundaries as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SNV8s8FJBk
Hoppie
Hahaha! Same here, crazy mess of musical genres, from classical (Brahms Symphonies, Beethoven Concertos, Stravinsky and the like) over Scott Joplin/Jelly Roll Morton and Blues to Iron Maiden and Dream Theater ;D
And a lot in between.
Cheers
Yoshi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg
A phantastic composition performed by my all time favourite Royal Concertgebouw Orkest conducted by Bernard Haitink (in their prime I'd say):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baT8tHc-JYQ
Nice stuff :-)
Here's a question: Does she sing "buried here" or "bury you"?
https://youtu.be/CsSZF25lduY?t=17
Maybe both, alternately ...
Have to recommend this crazy guy over and over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpt-oO1KZ6E
Cheers
Yoshi
Street musicians in Santiago de Chile play "Highway Star":
https://youtu.be/Ree-byztoJs
Some favorites-
https://youtu.be/EFDFpS9_ZWY
https://youtu.be/NNDI5qsTWD0
https://youtu.be/7t3xBqAWLaU
https://youtu.be/3PypuPE1kZA
https://youtu.be/rDUxi7fmpn4
Hopefully they bring you all a smile- C
Απάνω στην τριανταφυλλιά
https://youtu.be/HJyLWbuGX5A
Gänsehaut!
Steff
What a powerhouse. She's so precise, relaxed, dynamic, swinging, and perfectly immersed in the musical flow:
https://youtu.be/5xrHX0oqVeI
H'bout this one? Energy level off the scale... and still fully in control.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKr1H4Jv6is
Yep, obviously in the same master class. I like the nuances such as those dynamic rolls at 4:27 - 4:30, for example. I mean, what I find fascinating is not just the speed -- that would be just a "sport show" -- but the musicality, how the drums support the idea of the song as a whole etc.
Are drummers generally angry people, or are they in fact very calm because all the anger is focused into the drumming?
:-) Drummers are not generally angry. I think a piece of music may express anger, and all musicians that are playing this piece may be angry in that moment, be it a drummer, a piano player, or a trumpet player etc. Aggressive staccato and crescendo expressions can also be played on a piano or on a flute, if played by Ian Anderson with explosive breath noise :-)
Is a symphony orchestra angry when they play the beginning of Beethovens 5th? :-)
Concerning "angry" and other emotions... this one displays a staggering array of emotions in one song. Floor in the mean time got two kids and cancer therapy and other things and is ten years older but still kicks most other singers out of the ring without even trying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47e_961OQWE
Also note how at the end she hails the drummer who did significant work as well.