744 Forum

Hi Hardy,

I am still waiting for my copy of PSX but that hasn't stopped me from planning way ahead! I've been doing a bit of research on all the hardware options available for the 747 and thought it might be a good idea to create a sticky "hardware" thread with a supported, not supported or pending status. That might prevent multiple posts asking the same questions while making it easier to see what works and doesn't work at the moment.

I've found most of what I'm looking for but I'm stuck on the 747 Throttle Quadrant. I'm looking for a replica quadrant and as far as I know, only two companies can produce it at the moment, Flight Deck Solutions and maybe Throttletek. I've sent emails to both companies and I'm awaiting a response. Anyone know of any other options?

So far I've found the following companies for other hardware components...

747 Yoke (Both single and dual linked versions)
www.737yoke.com (http://www.737yoke.com/)

747 Throttle Quadrant, MIP, Yokes, Rudders and many other components
www.flightdecksolutions.com (http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/professional/b747/)

Boeing Stye Rudder Pedals
www.flypfc.com (https://www.flypfc.com/?/products/rudder-pedals/cirrus-rudder-pedals-boeing-style/)

747 MCP, DSP & EFIS Controls
www.cpflight.com (http://www.cpflight.com/sito/dettagli/mcp747.asp)

Hispapanels - Various panels (Radios, Transponder, Custom Panels, etc)
www.hispapanels.com (http://www.hispapanels.com/tienda/index.php?id_category=54&controller=category&id_lang=1)

Maybe you guys can add a few more?

Kind regards,

Jermaine Lindsay

Hi Jermaine,

yes, good idea to open such a thread.


Cheers,

|-|ardy

My 2$

PFC are very well made but the wrong colour.

737yoke.com had a very bad reputation (just look in mycockpit forums).

Good Morning,
any news about support of PFC Cirrus II console (serial port)?
Anybody able to integrate at least minimums (yoke and throttles) via USB/serial adapter or card?

Kind regards,
Carsten

Hi Jermaine,

Aerosim solutions (Australia) makes authentic rudder pedals. I have one and they are great.

Does CP Flight MCP/EFIS work with Aerowinx? I had their 737 MCP+EFIS and can vouch for their quality.

Does the CDU from FDS work without any issues?

Thank you.

http://www.aerowinx.com/forum/topic.php?id=1810
http://www.aerowinx.com/forum/topic.php?id=1601

Anyone used FDS for small builds? Even though a lot of people have praise for their customer support, I get the impression that is only if you spend big bucks. It seems like if you only have money to buy small things they dont want to know.

I don't believe that is true. FDS setup the Jetmax series specifically for the low budget hobbyist. Great company with excellent support.

I'm still waiting for my reply from pcos(at)jetmax.ca regarding my inquiry if there will be a B744 Jetmax product given the popularity of the newly released PSX to drive it.

Just my humble opinion, I find it strange why people go for the jet max size when the the full mip and glareshield is almost equivalently priced. I guess if real estate would be an issue the the jet max would be the way to go.

I wish there was an 'expansion' side for those that wish to upgrade.

On a side note, I have tried a jet max system and also FDS fully decked out A320 sim at FlightsimKL.

Quote from: OmniAtlasJust my humble opinion, I find it strange why people go for the jet max size when the the full mip and glareshield is almost equivalently priced. I guess if real estate would be an issue the the jet max would be the way to go.

I wish there was an 'expansion' side for those that wish to upgrade.

On a side note, I have tried a jet max system and also FDS fully decked out A320 sim at FlightsimKL.

Same, the 747 DSTD is around $12k CAD. Of course, you still have the battle of trying to get one ordered.

AFAIK the Jetmax contains the 2/3MIP, 2/3 Glareshield, a SYS3 I/O card, and landing gear. The price you quoted for the DSTD GodAtrum also includes their MCP, among other items (and outdated? 2010 price list) http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/assets/pdf/B747ER-DSTD-Jan1010.pdf

Here is a breakdown of the Dual trainer if you buy the parts individually--

Full MIP main - $1600.00
CDU bay - $500.00
Landing gear - $279.00
Glareshield - $1300.00
SYS3 I/O card - $229.00

Total -- 3908 CAD

I am not too sure if backlighting is included with the full MIP or it is an additional cost.

For me the DSTD is great place to start. I am concerned about making the payment, I guess the safest way is to use an escrow service?

Hi Omni,

Just one more thing to add to that list and that would be the optional hardware (buttons and switches etc)

MIP Hardware Switches - $461

http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/assets/pdf/B747-MainHW-march2510.pdf (http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/assets/pdf/B747-MainHW-march2510.pdf)

I did get a reply from both Flight Deck Solutions and Throttletek. Peter from FDS kindly explained that his B747 TQ is a very high end product designed to go into a $100K+ sim and has a price tag to reflect that. They may be working on an enthusiast version but that would only be at a slightly reduced price.

Roberto over at Throttletek however, said he could make a B747 TQ replica as a custom project so that's another option.

I did send an email to Aerosim about a custom 747 TQ but got a reply saying that there were no plans for TQ's any more and they would be closed for all trading until early 2015, while they work on their two commercial sims. Not sure if that also means no rudder pedals but would be worth checking it out.

Quote from: OmniAtlasAFAIK the Jetmax contains the 2/3MIP, 2/3 Glareshield, a SYS3 I/O card, and landing gear. The price you quoted for the DSTD GodAtrum also includes their MCP, among other items (and outdated? 2010 price list) http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/assets/pdf/B747ER-DSTD-Jan1010.pdf

Here is a breakdown of the Dual trainer if you buy the parts individually--

Full MIP main - $1600.00
CDU bay - $500.00
Landing gear - $279.00
Glareshield - $1300.00
SYS3 I/O card - $229.00

Total -- 3908 CAD

I am not too sure if backlighting is included with the full MIP or it is an additional cost.

Quote from: GodAtum

Quote from: OmniAtlasJust my humble opinion, I find it strange why people go for the jet max size when the the full mip and glareshield is almost equivalently priced. I guess if real estate would be an issue the the jet max would be the way to go.

I wish there was an 'expansion' side for those that wish to upgrade.

On a side note, I have tried a jet max system and also FDS fully decked out A320 sim at FlightsimKL.

Same, the 747 DSTD is around $12k CAD. Of course, you still have the battle of trying to get one ordered.

I dont want to "litter" Hardy's home but I have to say that I see many emails from you my friend and all replied to quite quickly... not sure where the non-response feeling comes from.
You may not like our pricing or our business approach but we do reply and communicate with people that are kind enough to send email....

Also.. Mr. Omni.. Hard to keep up with all the forums you post in but I will corner you here to say your misinformation is not understandable to me here...
You compare JetMax to a product twice the price then ignore half the items..
Both of you are more than welcome to conect with me and I can call to clarify all of this with you personally...
Please do think about what you post though guys... Misinformation is very damaging and "Everything you read on the internet is true" after all...
Apologies to Hardy and friends..
Felt compelled to comment here...
Peter Cos
FDS

Quote from: GodAtumFor me the DSTD is great place to start. I am concerned about making the payment, I guess the safest way is to use an escrow service?

This is beyond me Chris.
12 years we have been out here and I cannot think of a single example where we abused anyones trust.. When you make that comment you suggest otherwise and that is not fair at all. Quite damaging to a reputation we have worked very hard to build to where I believe it is today.
Where is the basis for this comment?
If it is a "Generalization" about buying on line perhaps you could rephrase that. I found it to be a highly questionable comment.
Peter Cos
FDS

Quote from: fdspcosAlso.. Mr. Omni.. Hard to keep up with all the forums you post in but I will corner you here to say your misinformation is not understandable to me here...
You compare JetMax to a product twice the price then ignore half the items..
Both of you are more than welcome to conect with me and I can call to clarify all of this with you personally...

Hi Peter,

If you read my forum post again I stated the jetmax does indeed have 2/3 the parts of the dual trainer.

I am trying to emphasise if you have the space to go for the dual trainer because of the better value.

Dual trainer, Subtracting out the cost of the FDS MCP, 2x EFIS, 3x LCD stands, and the more expensive switches (K2?), as well as the 2x CDU, and I believe you should come to the $4000-5000 range as I posted above.

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule Peter and posting here to connect to your customers. I am not negatively criticising your products (I bought your 737 jetmax throttle remember, and only have good things to say).

Regards,

Ben

Quote from: jlpilotHi Omni,

Just one more thing to add to that list and that would be the optional hardware (buttons and switches etc)

MIP Hardware Switches - $461

http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/assets/pdf/B747-MainHW-march2510.pdf

I did get a reply from both Flight Deck Solutions and Throttletek. Peter from FDS kindly explained that his B747 TQ is a very high end product designed to go into a $100K+ sim and has a price tag to reflect that. They may be working on an enthusiast version but that would only be at a slightly reduced price.

Roberto over at Throttletek however, said he could make a B747 TQ replica as a custom project so that's another option.

I did send an email to Aerosim about a custom 747 TQ but got a reply saying that there were no plans for TQ's any more and they would be closed for all trading until early 2015, while they work on their two commercial sims. Not sure if that also means no rudder pedals but would be worth checking it out.

Yes thank you for correcting me. I believe you have the choice between the E1 or K1 switches.

I have tried out their commercial quality quadrants and I would expect them to be priced accordingly as they are extremely durable and meant for hardcore use.

Yes, Gwyn is extremely busy but he has a company partner up in Queensland who I believe can still make rudder pedals. I would enquire if anyone was still interested.

I will try and follow up with Roberto at some stage, he also sells great Airbus parts :)

Regards,

Ben

Quote from: fdspcos

Quote from: GodAtumFor me the DSTD is great place to start. I am concerned about making the payment, I guess the safest way is to use an escrow service?

This is beyond me Chris.
12 years we have been out here and I cannot think of a single example where we abused anyones trust.. When you make that comment you suggest otherwise and that is not fair at all.
FDS

Hi GodAtrum, FDS also accepts Paypal (not too sure if this applies to their larger order items) so you have buyers guarantee.

Hi Pete, thank you for taking time to come and reply. FDS is certainly one of the main suppliers of hardware that is trustworthy and I completely agree they are one of the best in the business. As a very broad generalization, I would never sent $10,000s to people on Ebay for example.

I am absolutely no expert but looking at the website i think one could get a DSTD and be up and flying with the addition of a yoke, rudder pedals and throttle.

Thank you again for reply Pete and please accept my apology if my comments have been unconstructive. I do hope we can do business in the future and certainly do not want to get off to a bad start.

I really admire this guys build, just want I am hoping to re-create: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJw0UG1rXy0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJw0UG1rXy0)

Hey guys,

The CP Flight 747 MCP and EFIS control panels now have drivers for the PSX 747.

http://www.cpflight.com/sito/Aerowinx747/Aerowinx747.asp (http://www.cpflight.com/sito/Aerowinx747/Aerowinx747.asp)

Quote from: jlpilotHey guys,

The CP Flight 747 MCP and EFIS control panels now have drivers for the PSX 747.

http://www.cpflight.com/sito/Aerowinx747/Aerowinx747.asp

That was quick; and will be considered for the next purchase.  8)

Just want to add my 2 Gilders, I received the FDS CDU even before I got PSX. Peter immediately answered my questions via email prior to ordering, and I can say the hardware works perfectly with PSX and is a lot of fun to use. Although PSX is quite complete and needs nothing, it does add another dimension. I would highly recommend FDS hardware. I believe other components, MCP, EFIS and DSP are still being interfaced.

I did ask Peter about the possibility of a JetMax 747, and he stated his priority now is JetMax 777, so its not on the radar, though Peter should address this himself, I cannot speak for FDS, just passing on info.

FYI: I am using a very slow client computer to drive the CDU, (AMD Turion Mobile 2.01Ghz, 1.93 gigs RAM). PSX still loads pretty fast even though the hardware it is well below the minimum recommended.

Hey guys,

Came across this Control Loading Simulator Yoke a few months ago. It's a USB and TCP/IP designed yoke which might be ideal with PSX. I believe it will be going into production shortly.

http://irisdynamics.com/force-feedback-yoke/ (http://irisdynamics.com/force-feedback-yoke/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOCzSHhjAc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOCzSHhjAc4)

Quote from: jlpilotHi Hardy,

I am still waiting for my copy of PSX but that hasn't stopped me from planning way ahead! I've been doing a bit of research on all the hardware options available for the 747 and thought it might be a good idea to create a sticky "hardware" thread with a supported, not supported or pending status. That might prevent multiple posts asking the same questions while making it easier to see what works and doesn't work at the moment.

I've found most of what I'm looking for but I'm stuck on the 747 Throttle Quadrant. I'm looking for a replica quadrant and as far as I know, only two companies can produce it at the moment, Flight Deck Solutions and maybe Throttletek. I've sent emails to both companies and I'm awaiting a response. Anyone know of any other options?

So far I've found the following companies for other hardware components...

747 Yoke (Both single and dual linked versions)
www.737yoke.com

747 Throttle Quadrant, MIP, Yokes, Rudders and many other components
www.flightdecksolutions.com

Boeing Stye Rudder Pedals
www.flypfc.com

747 MCP, DSP & EFIS Controls
www.cpflight.com

Hispapanels - Various panels (Radios, Transponder, Custom Panels, etc)
www.hispapanels.com

Maybe you guys can add a few more?

Kind regards,

Jermaine Lindsay

Last month I took the opportunity to travel to Canada to visit Peter Cos at Flight Deck Solutions (http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/). Peter gave me a comprehensive tour and I saw many of the products they had developed. The facilities were impressive.  

I saw both the JetMax product line (http://www.jetmax.ca/) and components that would go into their Professional Fixed Based Trainers. The two product lines are not the same and the prices are relative to the sophistication of the product.  Any potential purchaser should contact Peter Cos to discuss their requirements.

I have had no problem with obtaining information from Flight Deck Solutions and Peter has promptly responded to any enquiries.

Quote from: wd747Last month I took the opportunity to travel to Canada to visit Peter Cos at Flight Deck Solutions (www.flightdecksolutions.com). Peter gave me a comprehensive tour and I saw many of the products they had developed. The facilities were impressive.  

That's pretty cool! I'm currently living in the UK at the moment but will be re-locating to Canada in the next few months. Would definitely love to go see the facility!

I can't find a vendor selling 747 throttle quadrants. Many many 737 TQ on sale - is there just a lack of interest?

Quote from: OmniAtlasI can't find a vendor selling 747 throttle quadrants. Many many 737 TQ on sale - is there just a lack of interest?

Hi Ben,

I believe lack of demand is the issue. I had the same problem looking for a 777 quadrant. I guess long haulers aren't nearly as popular as 737s and A320s.

Throttletek will make a 747 replica TQ but you'd have to contact them for pricing. As far as I know, the only other option is Flight Deck Solutions.

FDS will be releasing a new line of products for the ethusiast :) http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/news/new-mx-series-product

Only the 777 ones are shown atm: http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/components/b777/b777-glare/fds-b777-mx-mcp1/

Not sure why the text is amber when i think it should be white?

Quote from: GodAtumFDS will be releasing a new line of products for the ethusiast :) http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/news/new-mx-series-product

Only the 777 ones are shown atm: http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/components/b777/b777-glare/fds-b777-mx-mcp1/

Not sure why the text is amber when i think it should be white?

Hi GodAtum,

Nice find! Looks good  :mrgreen:

I've contacted Roberto from Throttletek. I'm not sure if he's fine with me posting the cost for a backlit replica 747-400 TQ with speed brakes and flaps lever here, if you're interested either contact him or myself. There's a 10% rebate for 5+ and 20% for 10+ units ordered.

Let me know if you're interested, I'm keeping a tally.

Cheers

- Balt

Hi Balt,

I may be interested depending on price and function (motorized, backlit?).

I am also from Sydney so perhaps we could also save on shipping :)

Some great new products for the 747 coming up!

As GodAtum stated before, Flight Deck Solutions are releasing the MX
Series Products with the 747 line coming in January 2015

Flight Deck Solutions MX Series Products (http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/news/new-mx-series-product)


......and as Balt stated. Throttletek have announced that they're going to be making a replica 747 Throttle Quadrant which I believe is non-motorised.

http://www.throttletek.com/ (http://www.throttletek.com/)

QuoteBOEING 747-400 Throttle PRE-ORDER!

Recent interest from several costumers regarding the B747-400 Throttle have made us invest in a real throttle from the Queen of the Skies! We are planning as our B767 Throttle to back engineer and redesign every single one of the features and details of this amazing throttle to bring our costumers a 1:1 Scale Replica !! We are launching a PRE-ORDER for limited quantities at an AMAZING PRICE of $1800 USD + Shipping and Fees! PLEASE EMAIL US FOR MORE INFO! THIS IS A LIMITED OFFER ONLY! (Throttle will be available to Ship by END OF JANUARY 2015)

interesting. I might be interested in the throttle too but would like to know if it can be supplied with a throttle stand. Also is it USB?

As I read it, ist the same as the 767 TQ.
USB Connection, Backlight, not motorized.

I think this is a good solution for that price.


Peter

FYI, a review of the opencockpit 747 FMC- http://mutleyshangar.com/reviews/jack/fmc/fmc.htm

Hey guys,

Found a nice review of the GoFlight Yoke and Throttle setup. For those interested, take a look

http://youtu.be/eSSnBx77oMQ (http://youtu.be/eSSnBx77oMQ)

http://www.goflightinc.com/collections/types?q=Systems (http://www.goflightinc.com/collections/types?q=Systems)

Hi guys,

Quote from: OmniAtlasFYI, a review of the opencockpit 747 FMC-

Today I released Plug&Play SIOC scripts for a number of Opencockpit Modules:

You will find scripts for up to three 747FMCv3's, up to three COMM modules (implementing the displays and rotaries of RCP-L, RCP-R and RCP_R), EFIS Left, EFIS Right, MCP (version 1-2 and version 3, these are 737 MCP's adapted to be used as 747 MCP),  Captains Clock, FO Clock and the ATC (Xpdr).

A setup.exe program detects the modules that you have plugged in, and it will make all configuration arrangements (creating PSXocm.lst and sioc.ini files).

You only have to Run PSX, run SIOC, run PSXseecon and you can enjoy the modules.

Note that for the FMC's you have to use a PSX instance with a layout with just the CDU window and to move it on top of the VGA screen of the FMC.

Read more about in the PSX OCM Manual at my PSXseecon website.

Cheers,
Nico

are 737yoke.com out of business? any recommendations for a free standing control column?

Could someone tell them the box is called CDU or MCDU, not FMC.

And that "CDU" is not a synonym of "FMC" either.

Quote from: Hardy HeinlinCould someone tell them the box is called CDU or MCDU, not FMC.

I gave that up long ago ... and well who cares? Maybe Hoppie and you only?  ;)

%@#$%@$#

:-)

I don't mention it to satisfy myself. I just want to protect somebody else from embarassment :-)

When a man returns from the toilet, unaware of his trousers still being open, I usually feel the urge to tell him his trousers are open. -- If I were a devil, I'd give him no hint.

Quote from: Baltare 737yoke.com out of business? any recommendations for a free standing control column?

Perhaps try simujabs.com

http://www.simujabs.com/

Or how about contacting Gwyn (Based in Perth) at AerosimSolutions?

http://www.aerosimsolutions.com.au/index.php/

Quote from: OmniAtlas

Quote from: Baltare 737yoke.com out of business? any recommendations for a free standing control column?

Perhaps try simujabs.com

http://www.simujabs.com/

Or how about contacting Gwyn (Based in Perth) at AerosimSolutions?

http://www.aerosimsolutions.com.au/index.php/

Just to let people know, I contacted simujabs last year and they said it would eb difficult to get the correct colour of the 747 yoke.

thanks guys. I tried to contact aerosim solutions and their contact me form will always return an invalid captcha code... i'm unable to contact them. If anyone has an email can they pm me please or email balt at inside dot net.

Cheers

- balt

Quote from: Baltthanks guys. I tried to contact aerosim solutions and their contact me form will always return an invalid captcha code... i'm unable to contact them. If anyone has an email can they pm me please or email balt at inside dot net.

Cheers

- balt

Hi Balt, contact Gwyn ("Westozy") on the mycockpit.org forum.

Just wondering if anyone has managed to get the GF-MCP Pro working with PSX yet?
I was given one until I get my own unit built (using OC USB/master interfaces and my own panel), so thought I would use it initially.

Just thought I'd ask...  ;)
asb

Quote from: GodAtumFDS will be releasing a new line of products for the ethusiast :) http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/news/new-mx-series-product

Only the 777 ones are shown atm: http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/components/b777/b777-glare/fds-b777-mx-mcp1/

Not sure why the text is amber when i think it should be white?

GodAtum, have you received your FDS gear? :)

Any idea if they are planning to release an MX version (or a more affordable version) of their 747-MCP?

Regards.

Quote from: OmniAtlasGodAtum, have you received your FDS gear? :)

Any idea if they are planning to release an MX version (or a more affordable version) of their 747-MCP?

Regards.

Just waiting for delivery :) From their site:

QuoteJanuary 2015
FDS-B747-MX-MCP1
FDS-B747-MX-EFIS-FO

Apologies for missing January on the 747 MX units. We are working through a long list of items and have to push through a few to clear more time on the 747. On it though!
Peter/FDS

Quote from: fdspcosApologies for missing January on the 747 MX units. We are working through a long list of items and have to push through a few to clear more time on the 747. On it though!
Peter/FDS

Thanks for the update Peter! Looking forward to seeing the units :)

Ben

Hey guys,

The Throttletek 747 Quadrant is here! Looks like a beautiful piece of work from Roberto. Go check it out. There are pictures and also a video showing it's use with PSX.

http://youtu.be/g9Ovu73tHKc (http://youtu.be/g9Ovu73tHKc)

http://www.throttletek.com/b747-400.html (http://www.throttletek.com/b747-400.html)

PSX 10.0.3-beta8 should improve the stability on those single USB throttle axes:

http://aerowinx.com/forum/topic.php?id=2637


Regards,

|-|ardy