Hand Flying

[Alex268]

Hey guys,

I am new to the forum and recently purchased this amazing training aid along with the NG FMC. Thank you for creating such a detailed simulation.

I will be doing my real 747 type rating next month in the left seat and I have been using the PMDG for many years, but I find this to be much better.

I was hoping someone can help me if possible to figure out the hand flying. I have calibrated my boeing yoke and Thrust levers using max and min values etc. However, when I am hand flying, it seems a bit delayed or "sloppy". So with that, I find myself almost constantly over correcting wing rocking etc, instead of smaller control inputs to maintain my flight path. Is there a setting or a better way to calibrate the controls to get a better hand flying experience?

I know this has probably been posted before but if someone can help or point me to the right thread, I would really appreciate that. I'm looking forward to flying the real Queen soon

Alex

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

First: make sure that when you move the controls (switch motion off for the moment), you see the simulator input control display at the top-left moving like you move your controls. Same direction, same input, especially same max range. These indicators are your calibration target -- not the EICAS control surface deflection displays (too many things that will influence them after control input).

If your input control displays are correct, let her fly straight and level and then play around a bit while watching the frame refresh indicator at the top-left. They need to be relatively constant, no huge jumps. If they are constant, the flight model has proper time samples to work with and will reliably and smoothly predict the future.

Once these things are all straightened out, it becomes a matter of learning to fly the sim, as usual. She's very good, but not the real thing   :-)


Hoppie

[Alex268]

Thank you for the quick response. I will do as you have mentioned and see how it goes.  So just to know what to expect, once I do as mentioned, it should handle similar to how the aircrafts in P3D, MSFS etc should handle?

Alex

[Hardy Heinlin]

Hi Alex,

I don't know how the aircraft in other sims behave. The flight behaviour you get in PSX is an evolving compromise of different opinions of countless 744 pilots, captains and training captains that were involved in the past 25 years. It's an evolution at a very high peak now, with lots of details in the aerodynamic effects. However, the compromise can never be perfect because every hardware feels different, and the expectations regarding the scenery geometry is particularly subjective, therefore the flight model should always be evaluated using the instruments only.

As Hoppie wrote, check the info tag in the upper left corner. The tag should not indicate max deflection before your hardware is max deflected.

Also, for the elevator there's a bias adjustment on Instructor > Preferences > Basics.


Welcome to the forum!


|-|ardy

[Gary Oliver]

If it helps - several real world 744 pilots have got into my simulator (with real flight controls) and fly it perfectly.  Those who have never flown a 744 get into lots of PIO on approach...

I'd suggest PSX is as close to the real 744 feel as you can get (aka not like other simulators)

[Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers]

It probably is worth adding that PSX has items in the flight model, such as ground effect, that likely are less pronounced or missing in the more hobby-oriented heavy Cessnas of the mainstream simulators.


Hoppie

[Alex268]

Thank you Hardy, it's a pleasure to "meet" you. I will jump on it in a while and ensure that all is correct. I have been trying to figure out a nice scenery setup using either wasm or ill try xview also, but as of now, I think I just prefer the standalone sim. Can't get the ratios correct, feels like it's moving to fast over the ground etc.

I'll be going to do my rating next month, so if there is anything you guys need from me (I'm sure you already have all that you need but), please do not hesitate to be in touch. I will try to be as helpful as I can. I was a Line trainer and sim instructor for the past few years on the 737, really looking forward to the 744.

[Alex268]

Hi Hardy,

So upon checking the tab in the top left corner, the tab maxes out but my Boeing thrustmeter yoke still has another inch or so before fully deflected. It moves at the exact same time as the tab which is good, but once the tab reaches max, I still have a little play. I have calibrated it in preferences to determine max deflection but its still the same. Is this ok or is there another step to take now?

Alex