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Registered: Jun 2014
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Hi all, my next plan is to consider motorized throttle and yokes. As PSX functions best with ethernet based controls rather then USB, not sure if there are parts that can be modified for this purpose?
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Registered: Jul 2009
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Location: Loomis California (near Sacramento)
Somewhat off topic. but...

In my setup here I have a 747-100 throttle quadrant and center console out of a tower air airplane.
I never got around to connecting it up.

Looking into it I find photometers connected to the throttles, but have no idea if they could be used to interface to the simulator, or if so how. (In the past I've used linear pots connected to levers that I built, using model airplane push rods. Using the pots already connected to the throttles would be nice if possible!

That console and most of the other stuff here is going to have to be moved, as we have the place for sale.

(I've been trying to donate it to the Civil Air Patrol or a museum, but no takers.)

Problem for me is in physically removing all the stuff. (I'm 81 in May, not to mention lazy).

Anyone interested and able to move it can have (most of it) for free!

(Some things my Son wants, a few things I might want to try to sell).

See some pictures on my web page at http://kingmont.com or

ftp://ftp.kingmont.com/pictures/flight-sim/

The sim is located near Sacramento Ca.
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Registered: Nov 2010
Posts: 139
Location: Vienna
Hi,

as mentioned in another thread, I'm currently working on my genuine 747-400 TQ.
The servor motor and all mechanism is still in there.

Either I'm going to use the original 115 V AC Boeing motor, or I will connect another DC motor. Need to work out what's best.

I need to connect pots to the thrust levers. The plan is, to write a littel Java tool, who is able to read the pot values, and convert them to either thrust and reverser information. Of course for each of the 4 levers.

When this is working fine, the next steps needs to be done.

Just my thoughts and 2cents for the tmie beeing!

BR Hans
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Registered: Dec 2012
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We are using a real 400 TQ, here is how we connected our pots for each Throttle Lever. This and the auto throttle motor is driven from an Arduino Ethernet module.

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« Last edit by AndrewTurner on Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:19:00 +0000. »
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Registered: May 2012
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Location: Farnborough, UK
Hi Andrew,

Did you use the OEM Motor or did you find an alternative that works quietly enough? A model number would be appreciated.

Cheers
Gary
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Gary Oliver wrote
Hi Andrew,

Did you use the OEM Motor or did you find an alternative that works quietly enough? A model number would be appreciated.

Cheers
Gary


I'll let you know after we test this week. AutoThrottle is the last thing to hook up.

We looked at using the real motor but it was easier to drive that shaft at the same rpm as the original. In the end you have to look at how your controlling the speed and drive direction of your motor. Motors pull big amps on startup and you'll pay for a controller board that can handle that load. We are using a solution with arduino and custom software running on windows.
« Last edit by AndrewTurner on Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:59:07 +0000. »
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Registered: Nov 2010
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Location: Vienna
Hi Andrew,

another interesting approach to connect the pots. Good idea!
Please keep us posted about the motor!

BR
Hans
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wow amazing, that requires more skill then I have! hopefully someone will produce a plug and play one.
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Registered: Jul 2009
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Location: Loomis California (near Sacramento)
The really nice option would be if the existing pots (in the assembly) could be used. I don't know what their original purpose was, but it would be easy to get to their leads.

I measured the variation in the resistance of the pots from full forward throttle to full reverse, but can't now locate those values, and have not had a chance to re measure them as yet.

(Also don't know if the -400 is the same as my -100 stuff.)

For anyone interested in this stuff my e-mail is jj@kingmont.com
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Registered: May 2009
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Location: Centennial, Colorado USA
GodAtum wrote
wow amazing, that requires more skill then I have! hopefully someone will produce a plug and play one.


FDS has a plug and play one. Talk to Pete.
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Registered: Jun 2014
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AndrewTurner wrote
We are using a real 400 TQ, here is how we connected our pots for each Throttle Lever. This and the auto throttle motor is driven from an Arduino Ethernet module.


How are you interfacing with PSX?
Member
Registered: Jun 2011
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Location: TX
I am also using real 400 TQ but using existing (AC) motor...with pots.. the pots I received were not a direct fit so I had to have machined items for all four to fit the assembly again over thinking and over engineering a solution.
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Registered: Nov 2010
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Location: Vienna
the mad hatter wrote
I am also using real 400 TQ but using existing (AC) motor...with pots.. the pots I received were not a direct fit so I had to have machined items for all four to fit the assembly again over thinking and over engineering a solution.


Hi,
pics how and what you machined so far ..?
BR Hans
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Registered: May 2009
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Location: Mumbai, India
hi 400guy

The 4 sensors in the 747 classic Throttle Quad are Penny and Giles pots (Model RP.18/1F) They most likely went to the FDR... (i could be wrong)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penny-Giles-Aircraft-PGS-Potentiometer-PGS1571-B-/231438825219 (this part no. is slightly diff)

In fact, the elevator had one attached to it as well... Do you see one on the flap linkage?

Leads: red and blue - 5v and Gnd
Yellow: wiper/signal

I had a set from my old 742 TQ and am using them now for the 744 TQ in place of the original synchros...

http://farrokhchothia.com/slists/pots/

They work great....

fc
« Last edit by farrokh747 on Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:39:48 +0000. »
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Registered: Jul 2009
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Location: Loomis California (near Sacramento)
Thanks for the reply !

If you have time can you email me any info on how you've connected the pots to the sim (electrically).

(What sort of interface card etc.)

That would be much appreciated.

jj@kingmont.com
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Registered: May 2010
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The "pots" on the real -400 are rotary variable differential transformers (RVDTs)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_variable_differential_transformer

They operate on AC, so measuring the resistance wouldn't be all that useful ;)

Rgds
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Registered: May 2009
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Location: Mumbai, India
Hi Andrew -

In my earlier (FSWORLD) system I used a H Bridge between the Phidgets servo controller and the motor - The H bridge was powered by a batt... (to soak the reverse current, and handle the startup load)

http://farrokhchothia.com/simplehservo/servoschmatic.jpg

Worked great for years....

fc
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Location: Vienna
Hi fc,

thx for the diagram 8)

BR Hans
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Registered: Jun 2011
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Location: TX
Just for you Hans

I got a flicker account so I will upload pics there.. Back to this auto throttle I am lucky in some respects as the FMC manages that for me out side of PSX.. let me try to explain why my project a bit of a nightmare in reality it two sims in one... Aircraft logic managing some of it and PSX managing some of it .. they do not like each other too much one spks woman and the other something else so I give them a good spanking and send to counselling so they trying to communicate... At moment we are count the channels required for a ARINIC card and then it will work :-)))) also the pots for the TQ I am awaiting the machining to be completed .. Its very interesting to see all the different approaches to this topic
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Location: Mumbai, India
Hi Hans

That was from some years ago, I couldn't find a servo card (that had a GUI written for it = Phidgets) that could handle the load of a big DC motor... so I hacked a hitec motor and connected it to the H bridge... but in theory any PWM output should be able to drive a motor with the H bridge in between...

One needs to do this if one can't write code.. :'(

fc
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the mad hatter wrote
Just for you Hans

I got a flicker account so I will upload pics there.. Back to this auto throttle I am lucky in some respects as the ....


Hi,

looking forward to the pics ... and yes, our hobby is very challenging. Especially the more sophisticated our approaches are. But perhaps ... thats why we love it?

BR Hans
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Location: Vienna
farrokh747 wrote
Hi Hans

That was from some years ago, ....

fc


Hi,

you said "years ago" .. how do you drive your motor today?

BR Hans
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Hans G. Schuetz
http://B747-400.net
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Registered: May 2009
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Location: Mumbai, India
Hi Hans

My AT system is not yet functional (with PSX) - Im using the Simstack Solution for all my I/O -

Two Options:
1. Use the PWM servo output from the Simstack card, and use the H Bridge like earlier
2. Run the DC Motor directly from the card (3A limit per output channel) - perhaps not the right way..

As discussed elsewhere, John and Rod are adding functionality to the system daily... So Im still deciding... Ive been focusing on switches, pots and lamps first... will move on to servo and other exotic bits down the road..

In theory, A PWM servo signal should be able to drive the H Bridge

Perhaps there will be functionality in the cards to run the OEM AC motor down the line...

there's a slightly long-winded post of my earlier system..

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14926&p=74779&highlight=#post74779


FC
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Registered: Nov 2010
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Location: Vienna
Hi FC

thx for the infos and the link to the posting - will go thru it. Same here. The motor is a nice to have ... but first a lot of must have's needs to be done.

BR Hans
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http://B747-400.net

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