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Folks.... Any Pat Metheny people out there...?

fc

This thread is so lonely, I'll add a new question:

In this movement of Stravinsky's Violin Concerto in D there is a phrase that reminds of a pop song from the sixties, but I can't recall the title. I need to know it, or else I can't sleep tonight. The song consists of vocal parts and an instrumental hook line. This hook line can be found here, for example:

00:40 - 00:50
03:20 - 03:29

At http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyOPUYps0oE

(Not the best version, for my taste. I like Hilary Hahn's interpretion much better, but couldn't find her on youtube.)


||ardy

Hello Hardy,

it remembers me of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jloDTKiH2ew

but I think there will be more similar in the universe

Peter

Hi Peter,

no, that's not the one I'm looking for :-)


Cheers,

|-|ardy

Doesn't remind me of any pop song I've heard.

You're sure it's not reminding you of some Bach? I find some similarities ... perhaps
Brandenburg Concerto-ish.

shiv

Sure no Bach. English lyrics. 20th century, somewhere between 1950 and 1975 :-)

The chorus voice goes roughly like this (every character is an eighth note, "_" is an eight pause):

_ _ g g e _ d _ c d _ e _ _ _ _

_ _ a g a _ g _ a g _ e _ d c _

Repeat 2 times, then there's another part, and then comes the violin solo, a bit gypsy-like. Fast and many staccatos. Maybe it's not a genuine violin but a sixties e-organ.

The lyrics might contain something like "When we're walking in the rain". Not exactly, just something like that. Something with "walking" probably.

Hehe.


|-|ardy

Aha !!! Your first seven notes did the trick ... it's "Runaway" !

(Used to play this song with my group! -- in the eighties.)

Whew ... you can sleep well now!


shiv

And if you still can't sleep ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S13mP_pfEc

Yeah!

What a relief!

I knew I can rely on this forum :-)


Good night,

|-|ardy (22 h work behind me)

Shiv you sir are a genius....


fc

There are web pages and apps that can identify songs if you hum or sing a line or two.

Of course Shiv did it only using his brain!!!

Cap'n fc,

Haha ... I guess it's just one genius helping out another !!!

Seriously, though, Hardy had given the notes and rhythms so precisely,
that there was no doubt.

Phil Bunch wrote

There are web pages and apps that can identify songs if you hum or sing a line or two.

Of course Shiv did it only using his brain!!!

Well, Phil, if I hadn't known the song, no brain work would have helped!
I could only get it after Hardy gave us the notes with their rhythm.
I didn't get it all from the Stravinsky video.

But yes, there are such sites ... one very nice one is http://www.musipedia.org/
but I think they concentrate more on classical and folk music. But I'm going there right now to check!

Good morning,

so, does anybody hear the similarity between that Stravinsky phrase and the solo in "Runaway"?


|-|ardy

Only now that you've pointed it out, Hardy!

I think it's chiefly this phrase (in the Stravinsky):

a _ g# a e c, a _ g# a g# a e c

followed a (3/4) bar later by:

g f# g d b g .....


Incidentally, the Bach guess was not too absurd, seeing that this is one of
Stravinsky's 'Neo-Classical' works ... (should rather be called 'Neo-Baroque', IMO.)

Hi Hardy and Shiv!

Now you know which song will fill my mind during whole day! I guess it had been over 10 years since I last heard that one... so thanks a lot for the nice guess and tip!
I'll also have a look (or is it an ear?) to the Hardy's Bach Concerto in D!

Hi,

Pierre, this song is an earworm indeed. I got it, too :-)

Shiv, exactly! Although Bach (and perhaps early classics like Mozart's Turkish March), too, may got inspired by even older traditionals from the oriental (and south european) regions: that phrase reminds of the Gypsy Scale (Wikipedia: "Hungarian minor scale").

Shiv Mathur wrote

a _ g# a e c, a _ g# a g# a e c

I think, if you put a strong vibrato on this long tone " a _ ", vibrating between g# and a 2 times per fourth note (i.e. g# a g# a, each one a 16th note), then it gets a wild gypsy-violinesque character; and if you play these 16th notes not as a vibration but straight as a trill on a keyboard or flute, then you get that baroque character.

Pop music inspired by Neo-classics.
Neo-classics inspired by classics.
Classics inspired by baroque.
Baroque inspired by medieval folk.
Medieval folk inspired by antique folk.
Antique folk inspired by stone age folk.
Stone age folk inspired by animal music.


:-)

|-|ardy

Apropos of nothing, I've been listening to Renaissance liturgical music lately. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I find it haunting and spare and beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OHkVV4qGXI&feature=relmfu

Thanks for that link, Will.

A peek into the haunting, spare and beautiful future: Here's the choir Hardy's going to join after the release of PSX. Can you spot HH* ?

Cheers,
Martin

* remember to temporally extrapolate to until after the release of PSX.

martin wrote

A peek into the haunting, spare and beautiful future: Here's the choir

A pity ...

"Youtube" wrote

Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights.

"Youtube" wrote

GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights.

Wow. The guys in question would not approve, I'm sure.

I knew GEMA cashes in on behalf of artists (or so we hope; I am sure they funnel some dosh off for their own bureaucracy), but I wasn't aware they are in a position to "grant" (gewähren), or not, German "publishing rights" for anyone in the world.

Proxies are your friend.

Alternatives:
One
Two
Three

Should GEMA not approve of those either, search Youtube or DuckDuckGo for "Gyuto".
If GEMA lets you.

Good Luck,
Martin "Global Player" E.
EFTO

It's not unusual these days. Almost all company made music clips on Youtube are not available in Germany. Shiv's Runaway link is blacked out, too. In such cases I usually search for alternate clips that were recorded outside of Germany, e.g. BBC TV shows or concert clips etc.


Cheers,

|-|ardy

Hardy Heinlin wrote

Almost all company made music clips on Youtube are not available in Germany

Yes, but why are they blocked by the German GEMA, and not by the producing/distributing companies, thus "at the source", as it were?

I thought GEMA's job was the collection of "royalties" (probably not the correct term) for German artists and their works (possibly including performances/reproduction abroad), but not enforcing the rights of foreign companies in Germany.

Then again, what do I know; and it's 30 year old semi-knowledge anyway

Cheers,
Martin
[content not visible in Germany, Best regards, GEMA]

I think they are blocked by Youtube. Everyone can complain at Youtube if there is a copyright infringement. GEMA complainted. Basically all commercially available music on Youtube are uploaded without written permission, they are just silently tolerated by the copyright holders.

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I thought GEMA's job was the collection of "royalties"

Yes, and when somebody doesn't pay where something has to be paid, GEMA does its job, too :-)

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