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It's a World Cup Miracle... I've only been able to see a total of 8 minutes so far in this tournament. The first 4 minutes I watched included USA's goal against England (or is it more accurate to say England's goal against England?), and the second 4 minutes were today when North Korea scored on Brazil. I must have great luck for turning on the game at the best moment!

If I'd watched 4 minutes on Sunday, Australia would have tied Germany 4-4.

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I've never said this, not even in 1974, but having seen a few clips of the last games it's obvious that this young German team will win the cup :-)


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I listened to a podcast today about the 1950 World Cup in which the US team, possibly the least qualified team in history, beat England. The interview with a US player on that team was remarkable as soccer had essentially zero participation in the USA at the time. This person stayed completely unknown and unrecognized in his own town and neighborhood.

Makes a person believe in miracles.

Maybe they'll put baseball back in the Olympics?!
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I don't know if I've said this already, but it's absolutely clear that the Serbs will win the cup.

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Ha! Sorry about the loss.
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I attended the Dutch Airforce Open Days at EHGR today, and somewhere halfway the air show the announcer broke in, and said: "For those who are interested, the result of Serbia - Germany: one... zero. (2 seconds break) If you think you didn't hear it correctly: one ... zero."

Another nice trivia fact:

The Red Arrows proudly claim they have the first female display pilot in their team.
The Patrouille de France promptly claims they have the first female display team leader pilot in their team.

I have to admit that the Patrouille sounded a lot more, ehm, professional over the intercom radio :) World Flight "Under The Bridge and Over The Top" yells are totally nothing compared to the radio calls the Red Arrow team members make...


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Avi wrote
.... (and they scared the Serbs too much).


Yes. To much fear and a lack of confidence in the own qualities. As I heard their wifes / girlfriends do not attend them. Perhaps they want to come back next week :P

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I'll bet the Germans are feeling better now (England-Algeria 0-0) :mrgreen:
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Is there hope for "old Europe" ???


Maybe Holland (they just won Japan 1-0) but Holland always starts well in the groups stage and then disappear and it was a bad game.
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It's not Holland, it's the Netherlands. Holland is just the two provinces North of the three big sewers and West of the cultural division. Calling the Netherlands "Holland" is for the native Dutchmen the same as calling the USA "Carolina" or "Dakota". :mrgreen:

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...and yes there is a South-Brabant and yes there is another Limburg and yes they are in the neighbouring country and yes there are sentiments to recombine... but with the hopeless results of last elections in both countries, this may take a while...
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It's not Holland, it's the Netherlands.

Yes, I know. In Hebrew (and I think other languages too) it's Holland and since it is familiar in English too, I decided to use the "short" term.
Won't happen again :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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How federalist are the Netherlands? Are Holland and the other provinces free to make their own laws and rules, or are the distinctions just historical and cultural?
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World Cup

As the Brits say "It's a funny ole game in'it?"

The only constant is that every Cup brings new surprises. Anyone favor Mexico? (when not playing each other, us Norde Americanos have to stick together)

My take on the trials of the 'traditional' European teams is that it shouldn't be a big surprise. It's a bit like what happened to the US in Olympic basketball. The world sends their best players to where the game (and money) is best and before long every national team has more than just one or two really good professionals. Combined with good, solid *team* play and character and suddenly the minnows can take on the whales full of millionaire prima donnas - same thing happened to our 'Dream Team' some years ago.

Oh and those Algerians ... when I saw where they play their professional football and looked at the demographics my first thought was that this was maybe the team that France should have fielded (apologies Pierre). I sure hope the US has taken note of their speed and spirit. We need a win Wed.

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Phil Bunch wrote
I listened to a podcast today about the 1950 World Cup in which the US team, possibly the least qualified team in history, beat England. The interview with a US player on that team was remarkable as soccer had essentially zero participation in the USA at the time. This person stayed completely unknown and unrecognized in his own town and neighborhood.

Makes a person believe in miracles.


Soccer football participation was not quite that dismal in the US in the old days, Phil. Pre WWII a lot of the industrial East had mill and factory semi-pro teams made up of European immigrants. After the war TV cemented the dominant position of baseball, football and basketball. Still it was true that there was no strong national football identity and the English players didn't know who these guys were in 1950. I've seen some documentaries on that team - they were a real piece of work.

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Will Cronenwett wrote
How federalist are the Netherlands? Are Holland and the other provinces free to make their own laws and rules, or are the distinctions just historical and cultural?

Our provinces are a political/government layer in between municipality and parliament. Many people wonder what the logic in this is. Laws are made top-down, but provinces and municipalities can add extra rules, not take rules away.

The provincial borders are largely historical artifacts coming from a long distant past, when the Netherlands (notice the plural) were formed under one king or king-like figure out of relatively independent parts. This was way before Belgium decided to split off and nobody cared :mrgreen:

Cultural lines of difference run along major rivers, which of course often mark provincial borders as well.

Notable exceptions:

Flevoland didn't exist until we pumped the sea out. It's more recent.

Per October 1st, some Carribean islands become formally a new kind of special municipality in the country of the Netherlands, while others formally become a new country in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands. This is a rather experimental construction... basically the islands that think they can survive by themselves go country, and the others go municipality.

As always, Wikipedia has nice material in English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_the_Netherlands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_politics_in_the_Netherlands


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Interesting articles.

Is there any feeling in the Flemish regions of Belgium for a unification with The Netherlands if Belgium finally splits into its two constituent parts?

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Not really. It seems that there are more people in the Netherlands favouring a re-unification with Flanders than the other way around.

Besides, Belgium actually has three or, in some opinions, four parts. Dutch-speaking Flanders, French-speaking Wallon, three-lingual Brussels (French, French, and French), and a tiny German part.

An extremely complex situation, called Belgium. Seven governments, not including provinces and municipalities...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium
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Thanks Jeroen - the short treatise on Belgian government may explain a lot about the way the EU runs. I never realized that when Caesar wrote 'Fortissimi sunt Belgi" he was commenting on their bureaucracy :) '

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Although I don't think that much of the Belgian organisation reflects on the EU because the EU happens to be well-established in Brussels, the opposite may be true. The EU is a typical case of a large umbrella organisation where the participants generally only want the benefits and rights, and not the costs and duties of the participation. The result is an underpowered biplane, being circled by a number of twin-jet-engine fighters called USA, China, Russia etc. Unfortunately, I don't see the EU participants handing over the power to command the individual aircraft parts any time soon. The number of voices calling to withdraw from the Union actually increases (nobody got rich fast, except contractors for large buildings in Brussels, Strasbourg and Luxembourg, so why stay in the EU?).

Still, I hope to once see the true United States of Europe. We simply have to.


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Wow - Kiwis tie Italy!! 1-1

This World Cup may become memorable for the most heart-stopping draws ever (sadly a concept hard to explain to many of my American compatriots).

Simon Elliot, whose free kick set up NZ's goal, was one of my favorite players when he was with the LA Galaxy - tremendous work ethic and ability to place a long ball on target rivaling Beckham on a good day.

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I am going to disagree, Jeroen.

I believe that the fundamental problem with the EU has been the desire by some countries (notably France) for an unspoken effort to create a United States of Europe, which the UK population has never wanted, and more and more countries' populations don't want either (including that of France).

I believe that we shall eventually get rid of the European Parliament and all its irrelevant and expensive MEPs, to establish a valuable coordinating centre for Europe where each country contributes to the establishment of common agreements and standards but leaves each country to implement - in other words, the establishment of a realistic European Council.

Anything else, including the Euro and a common budget, are impractical and too politically dangerous. ;)
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If this would indeed work, it would be a good alternative to a true United States of Europe, no doubt. And it may indeed be more feasible. Whether it would be sufficient to compete successfully against essentially monolithic, single-market, single-government, single-currency, single-business-culture entities is an open question.

Jeroen

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