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Hardy Heinlin

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #140 on: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 08:57 »
... and will end 12 months later.


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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #141 on: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:58 »
For example:

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #142 on: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:03 »
You're a Genius!

I like the corridor ;-)
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #143 on: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:55 »

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #144 on: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:42 »
Most pleasing :-)

I am ready to remove the PSX.NET.Weather Module, Remove the Wind Uplink Bodge from BACARS and rewrite it to inject the PSX Dispatch Centre info direct into PSX as per your new model.

The best thing is this will be before Peter notices it doesn't work sometimes :-)....Most pleasing.....

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #145 on: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:21 »
Wonderful.
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #146 on: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:51 »
That’s looks really good. Thank you for implementing this feature, Hardy.

Will there be a gradual change (i.e. smooth transition) to the PSX standard atmosphere at the boundaries of the corridor?

Best regards,
Dirk

Hardy Heinlin

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #147 on: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 00:16 »
Smooth, of course.

As smooth as angel dust.


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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #148 on: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 08:12 »
This new feature will be just great!
A question: will the corridor include also the routing to the planned alternates (enroute/destination etc)?

Thanks

Marco
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 11:27 »
The corridor includes whatever you enter. It's a new weather design tool, in addition to the existing tools. You can enter up to 200 corridor points, and up to 6 wind/OAT altitude records per point. Whenever the text cursor has not been moved for three seconds, PSX starts injecting the text data into the weather model. Everything in the model is smoothly interpolated in 3D space & time.

You can paste text from another source and then leave it as is.

You can paste text from another source and then edit the text.

You can generate text for the current FMC route and then edit the text.

You can write text from scratch.

You can write text from scratch and then edit the text.


Instead of clicking hundreds of buttons and edit fields, you have all controls in text form at your finger tips.

You can also copy the text in PSX and paste it into other programs for external paperwork or archives etc. PSX can write and read 4 different text formats that are used in popular flight planners.


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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:06 »
Thanks Hardy for the exhaustive explanation,
it sounds wonderful!!
Also the random deviations are very appreciated

Marco
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:19 »
Hi Steve and all,

we discussed the 5-wind-records format whether it should have lat/lon values under each waypoint identifier.

I have this 5-wind-records format in 4 columns without lat/lon:

Code: [Select]
SACO            PAMAX           ORABA           ASIMO
400 293/095 -54 400 293/077 -54 440 295/053 -54 400 291/049 -54
310 312/062 -37 380 297/070 -50 420 294/056 -54 310 301/038 -38
220 335/037 -20 360 301/063 -46 400 292/057 -54 220 313/027 -22
130 003/021 -03 340 306/057 -42 380 290/051 -50 130 328/015 -06
040 069/012 +14 320 310/051 -39 360 288/045 -46 040 000/004 +10

D355O           RW17R           PEFOR
400 290/049 -55 400 290/049 -55 400 290/049 -55
310 300/038 -39 310 300/038 -39 310 300/039 -39
220 312/027 -23 220 312/027 -23 220 312/027 -23
130 328/016 -06 130 328/016 -06 130 328/016 -07
040 000/004 +10 040 000/004 +10 040 000/004 +10


And I have this 5-wind-records format in 3 columns without lat/lon:

Code: [Select]
SACO                   PAMAX                  ORABA
FL400  293/095 -54     FL400  293/077 -54     FL440  295/053 -54
FL310  312/062 -37     FL380  297/070 -50     FL420  294/056 -54
FL220  335/037 -20     FL360  301/063 -46     FL400  292/057 -54
FL130  003/021  -3     FL340  306/057 -42     FL380  290/051 -50
FL040  069/012 +14     FL320  310/051 -39     FL360  288/045 -46

ASIMO                  D355O                  RW17R
FL400  291/049 -54     FL400  290/049 -55     FL400  290/049 -55
FL310  301/038 -38     FL310  300/038 -39     FL310  300/038 -39
FL220  313/027 -22     FL220  312/027 -23     FL220  312/027 -23
FL130  328/015  -6     FL130  328/016  -6     FL130  328/016  -6
 4000  000/004 +10      4000  000/004 +10      4000  000/004 +10

PEFOR
FL400  290/049 -55
FL310  300/039 -39
FL220  312/027 -23
FL130  328/016  -7
 4000  000/004 +10


Some users of PFPX or Simbrief have posted examples without lat/lon values. So I want to keep those formats. Instead of replacing them by "with-lat/lon" variants, I want to add "with-lat/lon" variants. So there will be 6 instead of 4 formats:

• 4 records
• 5 records (3 columns) + lat/lon
• 5 records (3 columns)
• 5 records (4 columns) + lat/lon
• 5 records (4 columns)
• 6 records


Just to be sure, Steve, should the lat/lon values be added to the 4-column format as well? Or just to the 3-column format? You showed the lat/lon values in the 3-column format only. In that case I would add just one format, so that there are 5 formats in total:

• 4 records
• 5 records (3 columns) + lat/lon
• 5 records (3 columns)
• 5 records (4 columns)
• 6 records


Regards,

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #152 on: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 21:58 »
Hardy,

I was going to confirm things with you ... since PFPX has now evolved into v2.xx.

Here are all of the possible wind data block permutations/outputs that PFPX can create in its current form.

I have  listed them from 1 thru to 6.

1, 2 & 3 being the ones I have used in my templates & 4 being a variation on 1 minus the LATLON coordinates. 

Number 5 is also an option that you might want to consider but I think that number 6 is in a format which is unusable.

From a Flight Plan template point of view I would want to keep things as realistic as possible but in the end its really as simple as just changing a small syntax line edit in a small file in a Dropbox file so its no work for me.

So the choices are really up to you now.

Code: [Select]
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OUTPUT 1 'UPS' Format

(CLIMB)                CONGA                  ENVAR             
N2203.0                N2144.1                N2159.5
E11441.9               E11647.1               E11730.0
FL380  229/037 -51     FL430  221/036 -63     FL430  224/037 -63
FL310  223/039 -33     FL410  221/036 -59     FL410  224/037 -59
FL230  231/032 -16     FL390  221/035 -54     FL390  224/037 -54
FL150  228/023  -2     FL370  224/035 -49     FL370  226/036 -49
 7000  176/010 +11     FL350  227/034 -44     FL350  229/035 -44

DADON                  RENOT                  (DESCENT)         
N2216.6                N2234.1                N2427.9
E11800.2               E11830.7               E12037.8
FL430  227/038 -63     FL430  230/039 -63     FL380  251/049 -51
FL410  227/038 -59     FL410  231/039 -58     FL310  248/048 -34
FL390  227/037 -54     FL390  231/038 -53     FL230  251/038 -16
FL370  229/037 -49     FL370  233/038 -49     FL150  257/029  -3
FL350  232/036 -44     FL350  235/037 -44      7000  239/009 +10


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OUTPUT 2 'Asiana' Format

                                            350    370    390    410   
N2217.8E11354.0 VHHH   071     7      P16
N2220.2E11401.3 PORPA  109    16      P10  23041  23041  23040  22041
N2214.9E11417.6 TD     132    39      M04  23040  23039  23039  22040
N2148.7E11448.8 OCEAN  092    29      M31  23037  23036  23036  22037
N2147.6E11519.8 RASSE  092    81      M51  23036  22036  22035  22036
N2144.1E11647.1 CONGA  069    43  390 M54  23034  22035  22035  22036
N2159.5E11730.0 ENVAR  058    33  390 M54  23035  23036  22037  22037
N2216.6E11800.2 DADON  058    14  390 M54  23036  23037  23037  23038
N2224.0E11812.9 EXTRA  058    19  390 M53  23037  23037  23038  23038
N2234.1E11830.7 RENOT  058    70  390 M53  24037  23038  23038  23039
                                            230    250    270    290   
N2310.7E11935.5 TONGA  030    21      M53  24029  24032  24035  24037
N2328.8E11946.9 BOCCA  032    45      M34  24031  24034  24037  24039
DESC                                   FL   60     130    230    270
WIND                                       23007  26024  25038  25043


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OUTPUT 3 'Cirrus' Format

              24000    30000    34000    36000    38000    41000
VHHH        23037M18 22042M31 23042M41 23041M46 23040M51 22041M59
PORPA       23037M18 22042M31 23042M41 23041M46 23040M51 22041M59
TD          23035M18 22041M31 23041M41 23040M46 23039M51 22040M59
OCEAN       23032M18 22039M31 23037M41 23036M46 23036M51 22037M59
RASSE       23031M18 22038M31 23037M41 23036M46 22035M51 22036M59
CONGA       23028M17 23034M31 23034M41 23035M47 22035M51 22036M59
ENVAR       23027M18 23033M31 23034M41 23035M47 22036M51 22037M59
DADON       24027M18 23034M31 23036M41 23036M46 23037M51 23038M59
EXTRA       24028M18 23035M31 23036M41 23037M46 23037M51 23038M59
RENOT       24028M18 24036M31 24037M41 23038M46 23038M51 23039M58
TONGA       24030M18 24039M31 24041M41 24041M46 24041M51 24041M58
BOCCA       24032M18 24041M31 24043M41 24043M46 24043M51 24043M58
ELBER       25036M18 24044M31 25048M41 25047M46 25047M51 25047M58
BRAVO       25040M18 25048M31 25052M41 25051M46 25050M51 25050M58
JAMMY       25042M18 25050M31 25054M41 25053M46 25052M51 25052M58
RCTP        25042M18 25051M31 25055M41 25054M46 25053M51 25053M58


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OUTPUT 4

(CLIMB)                CONGA                  ENVAR             
FL380  229/037 -51     FL430  221/036 -63     FL430  224/037 -63
FL310  223/039 -33     FL410  221/036 -59     FL410  224/037 -59
FL230  231/032 -16     FL390  221/035 -54     FL390  224/037 -54
FL150  228/023  -2     FL370  224/035 -49     FL370  226/036 -49
 7000  176/010 +11     FL350  227/034 -44     FL350  229/035 -44

DADON                  RENOT                  (DESCENT)         
FL430  227/038 -63     FL430  230/039 -63     FL380  251/049 -51
FL410  227/038 -59     FL410  231/039 -58     FL310  248/048 -34
FL390  227/037 -54     FL390  231/038 -53     FL230  251/038 -16
FL370  229/037 -49     FL370  233/038 -49     FL150  257/029  -3
FL350  232/036 -44     FL350  235/037 -44      7000  239/009 +10


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OUTPUT 5

WPT        FL350         FL370         FL390         FL410     
-----------------------------------------------------------------
CONGA    23034M44P10   22035M49P08   22035M54P03   22036M59M02   
ENVAR    23035M44P10   23036M49P08   22037M54P03   22037M59M02   
DADON    23036M44P10   23037M49P08   23037M54P03   23038M59M02   
RENOT    24037M44P10   23038M49P08   23038M53P03   23039M58M02   


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OUTPUT 6

  CLIMB WINDS                                    DESCENT WINDS
380 229/037 -51                                 380 251/049 -51
310 223/039 -33                                 310 248/048 -34
230 231/032 -16                                 230 251/038 -16
150 228/023  -2                                 150 257/029  -3
070 176/010 +11                                 070 239/009 +10
-----------------------------------------------------------------
                          CRUISE WINDS                           
-----------------------------------------------------------------
                      FL370           FL390           FL410   
LAT     WAY            WIND            WIND            WIND
LONG    POINT       SR/TROP/OAT     SR/TROP/OAT     SR/TROP/OAT
-----------------------------------------------------------------
2144N   CONGA         224/035         221/035         221/036
11647E              00/361/-49      00/361/-54      00/361/-59
-----------------------------------------------------------------
2159N   ENVAR         226/036         224/037         224/037
11730E              00/361/-49      00/361/-54      00/361/-59
-----------------------------------------------------------------
2216N   DADON         229/037         227/037         227/038
11800E              00/361/-49      00/361/-54      00/361/-59
-----------------------------------------------------------------
2224N   EXTRA         231/037         229/038         229/038
11812E              00/361/-49      00/361/-53      00/361/-59
-----------------------------------------------------------------
2234N   RENOT         233/038         231/038         231/039
11830E              00/361/-49      00/361/-53      00/361/-58
-----------------------------------------------------------------


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« Last edit: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:09 by G-CIVA »
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #153 on: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 03:02 »
Thanks, Steve.

I conclude the "5 records in 4 columns" format that some users have posted here doesn't come from PFPX, and maybe never contains lat/lon data?

As for the new outputs #5 and #6: If these aren't so important I'll omit them. It's a lot of work. Maybe next year ...


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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #154 on: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 04:11 »
I conclude the "5 records in 4 columns" format that some users have posted here doesn't come from PFPX, and maybe never contains lat/lon data?

Correct ... As I remember ... the "5 records in 4 columns" format was posted as being "LIDO Format".  I went on to explain that LIDO was a flight planning & flight dispatch provider & that they had no actual data format or output - formats & outputs are actually customer preferences. 

The "5 records in 4 columns" format cannot be created by PFPX.

As for the new outputs #5 and #6: If these aren't so important I'll omit them. It's a lot of work.

Output #5 is used by some airlines (none of which I have created a template for) & I have never seen Output #6.

Happy to have helped.

Steve

« Last edit: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:09 by G-CIVA »
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #155 on: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 00:27 »
Hi all,

unfortunately, the NG FMC upgrade (which contains the new weather tools discussed in this thread*) won't be finished this year. I need at least two more months. As so often, at the end, things get bigger than expected ...

Thank you all for your patience!


Regards,

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* ... and which contains these tools too:
http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=5007.msg54126#msg54126
« Last edit: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 00:42 by Hardy Heinlin »

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #156 on: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 04:15 »
I'm sure this will be worth the wait, Hardy!

My wallet is ready when you are :-)

take care
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #157 on: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 02:09 »
It will be worth the wait, Hardy!!

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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #158 on: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:22 »
Thanks Hardy to let us know!
Two more months aren't that bad.
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Re: Winds aloft injection -- just an idea ...
« Reply #159 on: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 21:36 »
Thanks for the update! Will wait :)
Antti