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jcomm

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:39 »
Thx a LOT!

Will certainly give this one a try!

EDIT: And I did give it a try - excellent experience, and I really just miss the scenery, although the terrain is there represented in the ND, and gives you at least in it's 2d projection an interesting "view" of what it would mean to fly that approach in a 744 :-)
« Last edit: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:18 by jcomm »

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 10:33 »
Actually, Simfest was there first and planted a flag accordingly.
Videos below...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv913D0ryF4&t=22s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7LBNu_iaR88

Peter

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 10:39 »
hi

ive added some arc points in the approach  -  i havent made a situ with this as yet, but here they are.... if anyone wants to try it.....


GTSHO   27°22'35.51”N    89°47'54.03”E

PR754 27°23'5.32”N    89°40'3.44”E

PR752    27°23'58.60”N   89°25'13.24”E

ARC1   27°23'36.41”N     89°22'2.39”E

PR750 27°21'29.49”N      89°19'24.52”E

ARC2   27°20'43.90”N    89°18'37.05”E

PR730    27°19'10.06”N    89°18'20.11”E

ARC3    27°18'3.37”N    89°18'14.31”E

ARC4   27°16'59.40”N    89°18'33.44”E

ARC5   27°16'2.91”N   89°19'10.36”E

ARC6 27°15'15.02”N     89°20'7.81”E

PR728   27°14'36.59”N    89°21'27.03”E

PR724    27°13'27.75”N    89°25'46.37”E

PR722 27°13'23.90”N    89°28'25.85”E

ARC7 27°14'36.77”N   89°30'45.25”E

PR714 27°15'40.07”N    89°31'41.76”E

PR712    27°16'46.41”N    89°32'21.13”E

ARC8   27°18'17.69”N   89°32'45.27”E

ARC9 27°19'2.30”N    89°32'36.32”E

ARC10 27°19'30.65”N     89°32'5.43”E

ARC11   27°19'52.59”N    89°31'21.97”E

ARC12    27°20'1.83”N    89°30'38.93”E

PR710    27°19'47.77”N    89°29'56.16”E

PR708    27°20'1.34”N    89°28'15.50”E

RW33

farrokh747

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:40 »
Second One:

starts with hold at PR777 @ 16000


PR777    27°06'04.9130"N     089°31'44.3330”E

PR746    27°12'25.5210”N     089°30'59.5930”E

PR732    27°14'35.9090"N    089°31'03.6970”E

PR714 27°15'40.07”N    89°31'41.76”E

PR712    27°16'46.41”N    89°32'21.13”E

ARC8   27°18'17.69”N   89°32'45.27”E

ARC9 27°19'2.30”N    89°32'36.32”E

ARC10 27°19'30.65”N     89°32'5.43”E

ARC11   27°19'52.59”N    89°31'21.97”E

ARC12    27°20'1.83”N    89°30'38.93”E

PR710    27°19'47.77”N    89°29'56.16”E

PR708    27°20'1.34”N    89°28'15.50”E

farrokh747

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:41 »
Third One:
Starts at PR888 / 17000ft

PR888 27°08'26.7280"N 089°10'56.1170”E    ///  17000ft

PR744 27°09'36.8360"N 089°13'17.2460”E

PR742 27°10'28.1180"N 089°16'24.5760”E

PR740 27°10'59.4240"N 089°23'06.7380”E

PR738 27°11'09.3070"N 089°25'14.5690”E

PR736 27°11'19.0580"N 089°26'20.8970”E

PR734 27°13'45.1210"N 089°30'27.7270”E

PR732 27°14'35.9090"N 089°31'03.6970”E

// this onwards common to all 3

PR714 27°15'40.07”N    89°31'41.76”E

PR712    27°16'46.41”N    89°32'21.13”E

ARC8   27°18'17.69”N   89°32'45.27”E

ARC9 27°19'2.30”N    89°32'36.32”E

ARC10 27°19'30.65”N     89°32'5.43”E

ARC11   27°19'52.59”N    89°31'21.97”E

ARC12    27°20'1.83”N    89°30'38.93”E

PR710    27°19'47.77”N    89°29'56.16”E

PR708    27°20'1.34”N    89°28'15.50”E


RogerH

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:00 »
Wow Farrokh - that's a lot of work! Thanks.

General question - how do I get this into PSX - do I manually type the data into individual fixes in the CDU, or can I copy/paste somewhere?

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:55 »
hi

edit:  made an updated  approach for 33  :   Approach VQPR 33 v2.situ

http://farrokhchothia.com/slists/paro/     

you'll have to input each one as described on pg 388 of the PSX manual

the PRxxx points are not in the Psx nav database (or any of the other sim packages, afaik) .....  perhaps created specifically for Paro, by NavBlue i believe.... 

PR888  27°08'26.7280"N   089°10'56.1170”E

would be: N2708.4E08910.9

26.7280 here is /60 but the CDU will take a /10 value, so round off the seconds to the closest decimal...

... to the best of my knowledge.....  :)


fc
« Last edit: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:23 by farrokh747 »

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:40 »
you'll have to input each one as described on pg 388 of the PSX manual
... or load one of the .situ files and modify it without changing the route.

Hoppie

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:58 »
... or save your FMC route with the Archive button on Instructor > Situation > Human > Dispatcher.

It will go into the folder Aerowinx/Routes

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:08 »
RW15 app 1

STARTS AT PR888 / 17000

see plate: http://farrokhchothia.com/slists/paro/vqpr_2.jpg


PR888     27°08'26.7280"N 089°10'56.1170”E    / 17000

PR744     27°09'36.8360"N 089°13'17.2460”E

ARC16    27°12'29.31”N      89°16'32.09”E

PR842      27°14'53.3100"N 089°17'29.4920”E     / 15200

ARC3    27°18'3.37”N   89°18'14.31”E

ARC2   27°20’43.90"    89°18'37.05”E

PR730     27°19'10.0600"N 089°18'20.1150"E

PR799    27°22'05.1840"N 089°17'39.0390”E     / 13800

PR818   27°24'17.6560"N 089°16'00.2150”E

ARC17    27°25'35.69”N    89°15'31.55”E

ARC18    27°27'21.49”N    89°15'52.54"E

PR816     27°28'32.5620"N 089°17'04.6530”E    / 13800
 
PR814     27°28'56.8980"N 089°18'24.3830”E

ARC19    27°28'56.92”N      89°19'46.39”E

ARC20    27°28'25.16”N     89°20'45.97"E

PR812    27°27'27.9730"N 089°21'43.7780"E

PR810   27°26'17.8700"N 089°23'26.1840"E

PR808   27°24'20.7330"N 089°25'45.6500"E

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:49 »
In the RW you cant build any RNAV-based procedure in the FMS, if it isn't in there, you cant do it. In the real FMS, when you do anything manually, you're building those fixes as flyover waypoints; thats not how they may be coded in the procedure, they could be coded as fly-by waypoints. So instead of the perfect and pretty radius to fix arc that the procedure designer built, you'd fly a series of short straight segments. 

For any RNP-AR based procedure worldwide (lets say my airline wanted VQPR), we'll approach the airline that owns the procedure and ask if we can use their procedures for our aircraft.  If they approve, they'll provide all the engineering data, and an approval we'd give (in our case to the FAA), in our application for the procedure. If it was something we designed in house (or had someone design for us, for there are companies that do that), its the same deal.  Once we're approved (or in a parallel effort) then we go to the FMS data company to add the procedure to the FMS, and then to our charting company to add the procedure to our chart subscription.

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 04:50 »
... you're building those fixes as flyover waypoints; thats not how they may be coded in the procedure, they could be coded as fly-by waypoints.

(Typo? You meant to say: Fly-by is pilot entry, fly-over is procedure code?)
« Last edit: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:43 by Hardy Heinlin »

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 06:39 »
i dont think any other airline apart from Druk Air flies scheduled into VQPR....

Some of my BizJet pilot friends who have flown in, the govt apparently  insists on a Druk pilot/navigator in the right seat.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78FXZXD2Ozw

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A full arrival, approach and missed approach strategy have been designed for both Runway 33/15 by Navblue, airbus Company whose logo will appear on the STAR and RNP AR Cloud break procedure Chart.

Ive not seen a set of RNAV approaches made specifically for a country/airport/airline before...  which don't seem to exist in the usual globally published database/s..  RW or Sim World.....


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So instead of the perfect and pretty radius to fix arc that the procedure designer built, you'd fly a series of short straight segments. 

True....  Unique to this is that the arcs are measured from another set of fixes, which are published in the AIP, and again don't exist in the std databases.... 

PRC51  27°17'44.7540"N   089°30'17.9720"E 

Ive used these centres to guesstimate the arc/dist, using 2 or 3 points, using google earth...

Ive not tried this in the sim as yet, as the default VQPR RW/s don't line up with PSX...  ill have to install the addon airport and give it a try....

Anyway, give it a try and lets see if the numbers work....

cheers!

fc





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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:01 »
I just tried flying it visually without a procedure (X-Plane visuals), using a 5 NM extended centerline to eye-ball it.

Thankfully it is a simulator.

Interesting approach to fly visually!

600000 lbs is quite possible (takeoff and landing) so good options for flying into an intermediate airport for fuel.
« Last edit: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:36 by United744 »

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 16:15 »
Hi all,

for the Stevens participants in Worldflight 2017, I prepared some sort of "Airport Familiarization" back then. This was done before the RNP approaches became available and focuses on the visual segments of the approaches to both runway ends. (But the RNP approaches still require visual segments, anyhow.) Maybe it works for you too:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Rb_zMTWhasl3xGiaZ5NExDdY6c2mqyjCZb-LgRUeRcU/edit?usp=sharing

Note: the intention is not to give a full Paro briefing but just an idea how to fly the different visual approaches that are possible. For each approach, there is a youtube video reference flying that particular flight path. Waypoints are approximate and just for support of visual flight.

Last but not least here is my try at Paro during WF2017:   
Approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVjioH9fv30
Departure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6vyXB5bVJI

Markus

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