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Author Topic: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?  (Read 6178 times)

jcomm

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VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:37 »
Has anyone tried to operate there with PSSX ?  

Do any operators use the 744 there IRL?
« Last edit: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:38 by jcomm »

Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:53 »
Funny... Druk Air... "druk" is the Dutch word for "pressure"... both ways...

Hessel Oosten

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:37 »
Jose,

Non-sense.... to ask here for routes to Paro.... ;)

Wikipedia says.. that only 8 pilots in the world are allowed to land there.

You are (likely..) not one of them ....    ;)

Hessel

Jeroen D

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:24 »
Quote from: Hessel Oosten

Jose,

Non-sense.... to ask here for routes to Paro.... ;)

Wikipedia says.. that only 8 pilots in the world are allowed to land there.

You are (likely..) not one of them ....    ;)

Hessel


According to that same Wikipedia those 8 pilot brought in nearly 182.000 passengers!

Today the biggest plane that flies in there is an Airbus, say 150 pax. If all the flights for the whole year are executed by Airbuses, thats more than 1200 flights. Only during the day and it needs to be VFR weather. The eight guys, two to a plane (?) must be pretty busy on the days they can fly!  :)

Jeroen

Hessel Oosten

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:26 »
Another interesting detail of Bhutan is, that the people there do speak of their:

Gross National Happiness

in stead of:

Gross National Product

Much to learn there !

H.

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:39 »
I hope to be visiting it soon! Only a short hop from Delhi

Jeroen

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:49 »
Hi folks!

Maybe "Drunk Air", aka WorldFlight, might include Paro in one of the next editions? Maybe rather for only a missed approach: not sure it would be do-able to land (and stop), and even worse, depart, from here!
Pierre, LFPG

jcomm

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:28 »
Then, I'm going to be the first 744 pilot to land there!!!!

PSX includes the rw in it's database, and for a start I already created a "takeoff" situ :-)

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:02 »
What is the max gross weight that you can get off that runway?

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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:34 »
Get me at least distances and heights for the obstacles and I'll run it in a few professional tools I have...

That 98ft wide runway though, thats a problem for a 744...

But for Drunk Air/Worldflight, that would be an awesome approach!

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 23:53 »
Actually those charts are worthless.  I'd need

http://www.dca.gov.bt/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/VQPR-3-1-RWY151.pdf

http://www.dca.gov.bt/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/VQPR-3-2-RWY-331.pdf

But to take a lot of the terrain out of consideration, Druk Air probably does these under RNP and has RNP EOSIDS drawn up by consultants to give them a magenta line to follow between the mountains for takeoff.

But as a point of reference, TOPCAT gives the MTOW as 213.8Kgs F20 Field Limit with 782ft of stop margin without obstacles being considered, so it would be a low weight takeoff in any event.

Phil Bunch

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 23:54 »
There is a USA-created TV show episode with a title something like "The world's most dangerous airports".  I'm pretty sure it includes this airport.  The show is quite amazing to watch, seeing (usually small) airliners land and takeoff in places like this.
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The most stressful airport where I have been a passenger was at Milford Sound, New Zealand (NZMF).  There is a 7000 foot mountain not too far from one end of the runway!  It takes a special license and training to be allowed to fly into/out of this airport, and after doing that as a passenger in a small twin-engine prop plane (commercial flight), I can see why.  It was a lot of fun, though.  IIRC, one has to make a very sharp turn shortly after taking off.  The rest of the flight back to Queenstown was spectacular, over NZ's Southern Alps.  We saw hanging waterfalls (a lake high up in a Swiss Alps-appearing mountain range feeding a beautiful waterfall, and tons more spectacular scenery.  I wish we had time to hike the "Milford Trail", which many claim is one of the best hiking trails in the world.  Milford Sound itself was most dramatic, with sharp, high mountains dropping off directly into a beautiful, deep fjord.

Take a look at the aerial view here - click on the aerial airport photos:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milford_Sound_Airport

Photos & info re tourist flights are here:

http://www.airmilford.co.nz/milford-sound-flights.html

Hiking on the Milford Track is here:

http://www.newzealand.com/us/feature/milford-track/

2 weeks holiday in NZ convinced me that (based on my personal preferences) NZ is the most beautiful country in the world, and I really loved all the Kiwis I met.  I even looked into emigrating but found that it was impractical if not impossible given my circumstances.  BTW, they also have the best trout fishing in the world at Lake Taupo!  I hired a boat and captain, and fished for a very enjoyable day.  My wife and I soon caught some *huge* rainbow trout - they were very enjoyable to eat!
« Last edit: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 23:57 by Phil Bunch »
Best wishes,

Phil Bunch

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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 00:57 »
Saba is nice...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjIS9IIMdI
Dutch territories rule. :-)
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 07:23 »
My personal "most difficult" landing in real life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRjUASwNz0g

Catalina island still ranks on the top 10 of most dangerous airports in the USA.
To short a runway for it to be in PSX.

Jeroen

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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:08 »
I had a Druk Air video of the small 4 engine RJ100 (I think) landing and taking off ... I believe A319s and ATRs are used now.  The airport runway 15/33 is 6445 feet in length and 95 feet wide.  There are no published weight limits.  IRL I don't think you could get a 744 in there.  I suppose it might be fun to try in PSX.  Recalling the video of the approach, has you flying down a winding valley with very high peaks on either side.  Interesting winds also if I remember.

I just googled Paro Bhutan Airport and found three youtube videos of landings

Have fun!!
Cheers
Paul Benoit

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:52 »
Yikes, just google earth viewed paro airport .... there are no "normal" turn around areas at the end of the runway ... will have to look at the turning radius of the 744, might not be able to reverse direction to the terminal area.  the final approach is a reversed "S" curve ... onto the runway ... with a high ridge off to the right just before the final left turn onto the runway. ...   I don't think a 319 could make a missed approach since the end of the runway is a very large hill, you'd have to TOGA really early and try, I really can't see a 744 being able to make a missed approach at all ... o well, probably my lack of skill and creativity. ... check the videos out ... there are many ... I suppose since we can't virtually die it would be fun to tryan approach into Paro.  there's one 14 min youtube which shows the whole approach ... very creepy but interesting to watch on a quiet Saturday afternoon  
Reminds me of the LAX approach down the San Gabriel Valley ... only having high mountains on both sides and the Paro valley being way narrower and curvier.
Good grief ... just thinking about flying an approach into Paro makes me want to get another pair of pants for use after landing.... hahahahahahaha.

Fun to think about
Cheers
Paul Benoit

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 20:04 »
To Phil Bunch and all the people who on this forum who I consider are my good friends.

Thank you Phil for your comments on the beauty of New Zealand. We live at the end of the world in a beautiful and peaceful country, with a re election of good government. We do not suffer the problems of Europe and Africa.

I want to send to you a copy of an e mail I sent to my friends last week when we were experiencing the joys of spring.

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Had to tell somebody!  Tonight we had dinner out on the terrace under the
pink cherry tree full of bees. It has been a beautiful day, and I had
just cut the lawn and it was back to its pristine best. In the garden we had two tuis, two wood pigeons, a kingfisher, rosella, a rabbit, a blackbird singing and
we heard quail in the bush.
Health is improving and National party are in power and the world is good.

Derek            Love to all

By the way I also had a lovely companion as well.



I would have added that I am a very very happy owner of PSX but this would not have meant anything to them.

Also apologize for being off topic!


Cheers,

Derek
NZAA

jcomm

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:30 »
Derek!

Look at your feet...

Should the Earth be a cristal, you could see where I am!!!!

I'll program an LPPT - NZAA flight in my PSX ;-)
« Last edit: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:30 by jcomm »

farrokh747

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Re: VQPR - Paro... Any 744 routes available?
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:17 »
Hi

ive created an approach to Paro Rw 33 - it starts at GTSHO @ 17500 ft - on page 28 of the AIP below....

http://farrokhchothia.com/slists/paro/

http://farrokhchothia.com/slists/paro/vqpr_rnav.jpg

Charts:

https://www.doat.gov.bt/aipp/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/AIP-AMD-01-2018.pdf

let me know how it goes...  there are a few arc turns in the approach, but im not sure how to input them.....

cheers,

fc