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Apron => Hangar 7 => Topic started by: Blake H on Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:56

Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:56
Hi Guy,


Making a mock of a pedestal, until my real -400 pedestal arrives. I have the width of 438mm for the radios ect. Does anyone know the exact length say right side radio to the printer not the outside measurement. I am requesting the inner. Please don't give me what you think measurements there is a few hours of building on the line. I need exact with a tape measure for a real -400. Could someone cross check the inner width?

Does anyone have a tape measure of the source selector left to right (outer measurements).?

Also the whole width of the glairshield? Overhead panel width and length? Height and width of the maintenance panels if it was in 4, only need the one of them dimensions. Autopilot height and width including the MDS (cancel recall panel).

Need a cross check, want to see how close I have made to real deal.


Blake;)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Hessel Oosten on Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:38
Blake,

See my tutorial here:

http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/content.php/165-Hessel-Oosten-s-Panel-Building-Focussed-On-Dimensions

And calculate it yourself !

Hessel

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Tried to correct it[/size].
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:03
Don't let the 0.1875" panel gap between the 3 vertical columns of overhead panels ("P5") confuse your calculations ;)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:54
there are 50 dzus fastner slots on the 744 pedestal ( the one i counted) - using hessel's wonderful tutorial (i never knew there was someone actually called Mr. Dzus...!) the calculations should be easy - for dims on the RMP, ATC, check out the gables site, they have detailed docs on the panels.

QuotePlease don't give me what you think measurements there is a few hours of building on the line.

I would hold off building the final pedestal until you have your panels in hand and laid out - minor variations can exist from vendor to vendor in the sim world... of course this is not an issue if you're building the panels yourself, in which case i would start making them (the panels) only after your real 744 pedestal arrives.

hope this helps!
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:46
Hi guys,

I am sourcing out b747-400 instrument panel measurements from Boeing, anyone interested?

When I receive the measurements from Boeing, maybe someone can work a 3D CAD model that is easy for everyone to understand and use for what ever purpose they seek.

Thanks Farrokh, I am hoping to get the measurements first. Fingers cross.

Great DSUZ tutorial. The panels are built around the DSUZ. If you work out the DSUZ pattern, you can work you panels length and width.

Blake Hauswirth.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:22
QuoteI have the width of 438mm for the radios ect.(sic)

I have the inside measurements at 438.15 x 485.775mm (using an inch to mm conversion of 25.4mm/inch)

Does that match up with the hole dimensions?

Of course, there is no guarantee that the 747-8 will be anything like this  ;)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:41
It is the same the manufacturer of the radios, The manufacturer is Gabel engineering have a look at there website.

I know the pedestal for the -400 and -8 is 146.05mm x3 wide. The length if I scale the drawing is 486mm.

I have some cathay pacific drawings. The width of the overhead is 219mm +291mm+219mm. The height is 611mm. The MCP is 73mm in height 417mm long. The EFIS is 119mm width and the EICAS control is 66.1mm width.

What you guys think. Getting close???

Blake Hauswirth.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:44
QuoteWhat you guys think.

I think you should use inches (as recommended previously)  :mrgreen:
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:53
The aircraft overhead panel (P5) is 8 5/8" + 11 1/2" + 8 5/8" with two gaps between the columns (each 3/16). This gives a total of 29 1/8"
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:17
Lol.

There is a good google convertion for inch to mm. We all know metric is superior :roll:  .

I know what your saying it is related so the DSUZ lining up. I just wanted to get the ball rolling, for cockpit builders, there are so many bad measurements out there.

 I cross check the metric and imperial numbers sound like we might be getting some where with the measurements.  

Does anyone know the MCP, EFIS and EICAS control. Width and length. Please in inches, for Americans :lol:
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:07
QuotePlease in inches, for Americans

And for Englishmen and for people in, say, Australia, working in the aviation industry

Blake, perhaps you could reveal your source of dimensions? There is no point me giving you values for comparison sake if your source is me: In the early days of PS1, a gentleman drew up some very nice scale diagrams using a comprehensive set of measurements taken by me to be distributed amongst bona fide PS1-users.

Unfortunately, I have lost contact with this gentleman, and I don't want to distribute these diagrams willy-nilly without his permission (since he had put a lot of time and effort into them).

Rgds
JHW
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:46
Cathay Pacific panel diagrams from their fleet. I had known measurements from the radio manufacturer. Plus DSUZ tutorial guy.

Cathay diagrams I scaled had no measurements hence mm. I knew the radio measurement and the width of the overhead panels and cross checked. I also had home made 747-400 CAD drawing from mycockpit.org of the MIP, they crossed checked the cathay diagrams.

The height of the MCP, EFIS and EICAS control crossed as 73mm. I found a discrepancy is length of the MCP. The mycockpit .org was 435mm and the cathay diagram works out 417mm. The is a 767 I found on the net, that had a tape measure on the MCP is was around 415-420mm. Too hard to tell.

That is where I am at.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:37
QuoteThe height of the MCP, EFIS and EICAS control crossed as 73mm.

I have 2&7/8".

QuoteI found a discrepancy is length of the MCP. The mycockpit .org was 435mm and the cathay diagram works out 417mm. The is a 767 I found on the net, that had a tape measure on the MCP is was around 415-420mm. Too hard to tell.

I have the width at exactly 17 inches. This is one of the reasons I use inches -  no conversion errors.

QuoteThat is where I am at.

Seems I misunderstood you. I thought you'd already spent 1000s of hours on this project?

Rgds
JHW.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:43
EFIS CAGE INSIDE DIM:  123 MM X 80 MM
MCP+DISP CAGE INSIDE DIM: 500 MM X 80 MM

Note that the MCP/EFIS rack has a 2/3 mm lip over the top edge -

Sorry, in MM, I know Boeingworld is inches only....

I confirm 17 inch across for the MCP - but from my old dakenskys panel...


fc

note re. one of your earlier posts - be aware that the 744 pedestal is a fused unit with the TQ - there's no separate box for the ped, the rear cage plate of the TQ is the fwd plate of the aisle stand, and both sit one one floor mount frame.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:32
Lol John.

I remember my first try at a wooden carved TQ handle 7 years ago. It starts as a dream, followed by a desktop plastic yoke and rudder pedals with a whole lot of research and building to hopefully have a pretty close replica. I ended up with a ok 767-300 that I used as a good procedure trainer in between. This left me wanting a more complex simulator. What better a 747-8 replica.
 
Where did you obtain 17 inches. My MCP that I made is 432mm (approx 17inches). I am not 100% sure this is the measurement. Could have Boeing modified this measurement on later -400?

I have been on this project for a year. Time goes by fast when you want your sim right. My advise to cockpit builders is resist tempation to fly your simulator by short cutting. You will end up with a inferior sim. Research, do it right and take your time. Rome wasn't built in a day. You will save more time and money if you do it right. This is if you want a 95% replica. Remember Aerowinx is close as you can get to the real thing.  Why not have the hardware to match your software. :D  

Farrokh, The MCP 80mm, I am not sure with this one. Is it a FDS MCP? I am 90% sure 80mm is not right.

I am aware of the lip ect. I am interested in panel sizes for the pedestal. Cheers for the heads up.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:38
QuoteWhere did you obtain 17 inches. My MCP that I made is 432mm (approx 17inches). I am not 100% sure this is the measurement. Could have Boeing modified this measurement on later -400?

I took this measurement from a -400 panel with a steel tape measure marked in inches ;)

So, now you have 3 sources which agree within 0.2 of a mm. I would be pretty happy with that. Note that there are small gaps (of various widths) between the panels on the lightshield, so the total width of the "tray"(frame) in which the panels sit will not necessarily match the sum of the panel widths.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:50
Thank-you John.   :mrgreen:

If it was a tape measure I will take your word.

It is still a mistry why the Cathay scaled diagrams worked out to be 417mm. Have a look at this http://www.simpit.de/b767dim/glare/glare011.JPG. In mm.

And this, http://www.simpit.de/b767dim/glare/glare003.JPG
For Farrokh have a look at the tape measure if you compare to the MCP it is around 75mm

Blake.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:07
Interesting. Certainly room for doubt.

Unfortunately, I don't have the original drawings. I'm looking at the scale diagrams (created by the other gentleman) with measurements on them. I'll recheck tomorrow on the real aircraft if I get the opportunity.

I also thought the 767 and 744 panels were similar.

Rgds
JHW
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:58
QuoteFarrokh, The MCP 80mm, I am not sure with this one. Is it a FDS MCP? I am 90% sure 80mm is not right.

as posted, those numbers were for the mcp/efis/dsp CAGE - not the units themselves  = ie, the compartment into which they fit.

The panel measurements I have are:
MCP: 17 in WIDE x  2 & 7/8th in TALL
EFIS: 4 & 11/16th in WIDE , 2 & 7/8th in TALL

Dont have a DISP panel ref -


cheers,

fc
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:28
Cool Farrokh we have the same height.

Maybe the -400 and -400ER are difference, more room for the small LCD's in the -400ER.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:13
The 744 and the 744ER panels are interchangeable. We have LCD and mechanical on our older aircraft. I may even have seen a mechanical type on our -ERs
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:09
Blake, 744 P10 panel re-measured today and results as follows:

MCP faceplate exactly 17".
Tray for MCP and EICAS Display Select Panel (DSP) 20" give or take 1 mm (approx thickness of sheet metal)
Total tray width (holding 4 panels) = 30" (same tolerance as above)

Rgds
JHW
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:06
Maybe the tape measure in the 767 photo needs to be checked  :mrgreen:

Farrokh post those photos their good.   ;)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Mundyas on Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:49
Good Morning

I expect most people have seen this site. Perhaps not detailed enough (exact measurements whether in inches or mm! required I know Blake and others) but I think it is  interesting none the less.

www.meriweather.com/747/fd-747.html

And there is a section on pedestal dimensions.

Not room in my garden for a real 747-400 to reside so I find sites like this interesting when I want to see the big picture.

Andrew
PS - Still flying Precision Simulator and still learning.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:07
Blake ,

where did all those thousands of hours go with your researching? I would have thought and this is just a thought that most are using either 100-300 shells and converting those to a 400 Office right? Should this be the case then don't you want the over all differences between them to get a fit? From what I understand the real difference in "Dims" is in the overhead not the MIP same overall dims as the older MIP but with different cutouts right? plus you can pick up a 100-300 MIP for next to nothing its scrap nowdays

Just a thought not having a dig :-)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:41
Despite the shell being the same, there may be some fundamental differences between the 747 and the 744 panels.

For example, I don't think the angle of the "MIP" on the Classic was the same: Certain artificial horizon part numbers must be fitted only in panels with angle "x".

I recall the MIP was about 22 degrees from the vertical on the 744. I think the 747 was more vertical (13?).

I would get confirmation of these angles, however  ;)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:25
The classic and -400 is a whole different cockpit.

I can only note that the side window piller plastic covers are the same. The shell is the same. The side plastic moulding are the same. The flight controls are the same. The rudder pedals and tillers are the same everything else doesn't even look close.

I am working on the theory if you have good plastics panels and a shell to start with, hopefully the rest will work out. The plastic moulding are going to be a challenge. I hopefully have all the intergraded panels and interface set-up by the end of the year. They live in a room in my house. I have a frame for the overhead, cb's and aft panel. Also a mip and pedestal for the panels to fit in. My plan is to have the whole cockpit layed out working with PSX. Basically the heart of the 744 minus the cockpit. On Friday I bought 3 CDU's and interface. At a cost of $4000.

I think if you make the panels right you are looking for around $10000. Plus over 1 year of work. If you are loaded you can fast track. I got a quote from Peter Cos FDS. It was around $40000. I was thinking when I got this quote last year there was not way I was going to be able to afford this.

When I have completed the panels(mock cockpit). I will post photos of the panels. They are seperated at the moment, they are getting painted, engraved, intergraded back lighting installed and wired.

When the photos become available I won't be giving details of what is behind the panels. That is where most of the time is. I had to work this out for myself, it would only be fair. Though I will point people in the right direction if they ask.  8)

Oh, I decided I will be using hydraulic jacks. Good value for money and experience. They are not too expensive. The sim will be a full motion equivalent level-d fllight simulator.  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:49
Hi guys,

747-400 measurements

I am after the measurements for the width of the maintenance panels the 4 rows at the top of the overhead. I think might be 146.05mm or wider. Inner frame measurements.

Also the width of the overhead panel, I guess what looks like the frame of the overhead panel that runs up past the CB panel and maintenance panel (Aft panels). That is the inner measurements of it. I would like to see how much slack my panels need. 731mm is the width of my overhead and height is 611mm

Blake Hauswirth.   8)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:01
Hi Blake

the real overhead is 63 and 1/4 inches long and 31 and 1/2 inches wide to the outer edges the frame itself is 1 inch wide without all the dangly bits to hold it in situ like the grap rails and dont forget it has location hangers and alike  the lower and upper parts to the frame have a sorta slightly curved surface I have no idea what they are called as I am not an engineer

Even better if you give me instructions on how to post pictures on the forum and include a labeled picture with each item marked A,B,C,D etc of the frame I will get you measurements from the overhead in inches hows that?
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:08
Here are some of the measurements

(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll79/Qavion2008/Overhead3.gif)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:01
thats quite cool John saves me measuring the one I have thus Mr Blake is set.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:50
Hi Guys,

So guys, if the width of the maintenance panels are 6 inches. Reference the  second post above. How close is this measurement John? What is the physical width of the panel itself.

Second note, I have found a reference to the width of the overhead panel inner dimensions to the rubber stripes as 29 1/8. Can anyone share light on this? I think is it close, but not quite. Maybe within 1/2 an inch?

Blake.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:26
QuoteI have found a reference to the width of the overhead panel inner dimensions to the rubber stripes as 29 1/8

I also have 29 1/8" for the removeable overhead control panels (only) which make up P5. However, there are small (about 1/8") strips of metal between the removeable P5 panels and the rubber strips.

You can see this in this picture:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Boeing-747-430/0438442/L

On the CB and maintenance panels (P7, etc), however, the panels go all the way to the edge of the rubber strip (because the rubber is actually mounted on the panel). There is only 1/4" difference between my Maintenance/CB  Panel measurement and your P5 panel measurement. This can be explained by the photo.

Rgds
JHW
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:38
QuoteWhat is the physical width of the panel itself.

Just to clarify, the dimensions of the CB panel are 13" (panel to inside edge of rubber) + 3/16" (hinge) + 3" (centre strip) + 3/16" (hinge) + 13" (panel to inside edge of rubber) = 29 3/8"
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:52
John thank you very much.  :)

the p7 maintenance panel is 6 inches, no gap at all must be a tight fit? What is the exact measurement 5 and ./. inches?

With the 2 gaps on p5 does that make it 29 3/8,  inside edge of rubber to inside edge of rubber?
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:33
Blake, no offence intended, but before i jump i with my numbers, can you please explain what you meant by this..

QuoteWhen the photos become available I won't be giving details of what is behind the panels. That is where most of the time is. I had to work this out for myself, it would only be fair. Though I will point people in the right direction if they ask.

Information and knowledge on this (any) forum is free, open, shared....  in many cases, folks go out of their way to respond to our q's, even that which we've worked out for ourselves - stuff flows both ways i think...

cheers,

fc
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:18
I for one have to support that statement and I am NOT adverse to sharing in fact I have been on the receiving end more times than most; again I think this is a very fair comment by Forrokh

You also have to consider Blake that this forum includes both 747 pilots and engineers, and coupled to the fact that you have software guru's as well.. "bloody hell what more could one ask for?"
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Thu, 1 Sep 2011 07:05
I will point people in the right direction. I am all for sharing how I built my 747-400. Sharing dimensions, plastic types, paint color, directions where I found information to create the panels, ie the intergrated hardware I am using Phidgets and Opencockpit.

My CAD panel drawing files are not for share. I have spent days creating these drawing. If you put a price on the drawings it would be in the thousands for the time it has taken out of my work. ie Should PSX be shared, ask Hardy. I dont think anyone who has designed panels is obligated too share CAD files. Maybe I can put a price on the design.  :lol:  

For those who don't know what this looks like it is 3D. It is not a 2D drawing it is multi-levelled and hardware and lighting is intergrated making it 3D. I would be happy to share 2D information. You can find these drawing in www or send me your email address and I will send pictures your way.  :D  

Did you design and build your own panels Farrokh? Will you share you CAD (Vcarve) files? If you asked PC from Flight Deck Solution to share his design of the panels, he will most likely say no.

I am helping others right now with this post. ie John's knowledge helping me is been recorded, anyone who needs dimensions of the 747 cockpit will be looking in the right spot. Thanks for the knowledge guys. :D  :D
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Fri, 2 Sep 2011 12:03
well, we'll agree to disagree then.....

close ups of the ovhd frame here: http://farrokhchothia.com/overhead/

i've not marked any measurements on this, in case any of you want to add them on - will upload a second set with my numbers shortly....

fc
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:52
wow Blake I was going to sit on my fingers for this one and not comment at all but I guess I can not help myself...

Wow you do value your work quite highly, with the information you have been freely given what do you think that is worth, because most of us have taken over 20 years to get to where we are at numerous examinations and re-qualifications, professional fees etc etc  And you are concerned with whats behind a light-plate hell man its not rocket science you mention a few people like FDS... Well they share information in fact they have u-tube and face-book movies showing how they have done things and explained in detail how it was achieved with said beastly.   PSX if I understand it right will allow third party applications... I bet if Forrokh had the vcarve files you are asking for he would give them to you I am not aware of any builder that would not freely share how, what , why and when to what they have achieved even MS does this and his sim sings  and dances I do believe he is working on it to make a cup of tea as well!!

You would not be anywhere near where you are with your build if it was not for the likes of the people on this forum... (I am a little confused you say you are making a ,level D simulator yet you say that that FDS at 40k was expensive in real world terms that competitive very competitive). Which makes me ask are you building

A) A simulator or
B) Emulating a level D simulator

they are two very different things... Me thinks you are being so protective of the "magic" because you may have the intent of commercial applications if this is so then you need to declare this other vendors do, I sincerely doubt that such a declaration would stop the flow of information you seek.

From what I gather no one is asking to see the magic but I bet most including myself are quite keen to see the panels that you have produced at the price point you stated considering the price difference of over 3k.

In closing I am not having a dig at you but I agree with F on this one the flow of information here has been given freely and its a swings and roundabout thing you give with one hand and take with other it balances its self out right?
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 05:01
I prefer this to be in private if you want to continue. You know my email. This post is for 747 panel dimensions, not what Blake will and will not share...

This is my art work and is not for share, the drawings are not generic like others, your example FDS and you tube. I just watched some, they are a good source for sim builders. I would be happy to share details related. But you can not find FDS CAD drawing. Because they are his proprietary information or other commerical builders.

I would not ask anyone who has used Vcarve to build a simulator to share. I would be a bit cheeky and rude in my option. I have mates that use Vcarve (CAD). If I was offered a drawing, they said this is my drawing it is not for share. Which of course I agreed. Some of my drawing have their art work in it. So I would be going against there word, if I gave my the drawings up.  

At the same time I understand where you coming from 747 information is hard to obtain. I fully respect sharing of information. That is why I am here. Which I appreciate any help and happy to give knowledge.  :D

Like I said I would be happy to share generic details, how to make panels and 747-400 related information.

Sorry I can't help other then what I am happy to give.

Ask me for anything else and I will do my best to give you the answer.

Blake. :)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John Davis PC on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 08:47
QuoteI am all for sharing how I built my 747-400

Past tense ?   Is it built now Blake ?    Do you have any photos / Videos to show us on Progress or completion ?   I seem to remember a few months ago you promised some pics in a few days, did I miss them ?

Surely a bloke with such technical knowhow of "CAD" and "Magic" can post a few pics somewhere ?  :D

There's only one guy I know who has built a hombuilt sim nearly to Level D and im sure he would not claim it is one.

Cheers  PC
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:43
Reference to how I built my 747 when it is complete.  ;)

Avonics are still getting built, I am a good way through, going to hit high gear next week. I have been on work leave, needed a little R and R.

Hopefully fully complete without motion early next year. I have a commerical interest so I didnt want to put to much out yet. Been humming and harring to do it or not. I wanted to release info when it was right. I will set up a web site in good time.

Does anyone know where to find seats. I have been patient with the buy just want to make sure their going to do the right job.

I still have been waiting for the cockpit to arrive. That has been one of the hold ups. I wanted the sim to look really good before I create a site.


Apologies for the delay. Promise you will be impressed just need to be patient.   8)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 12:09
Because you guys have help me with so much and been so patient. I will show one preview of a backlighted panel photo and a a photo of the Vcarve file. Can I have someones email who I will send the photos and you can post it on the forum.

I feel that is generic and happy to do.  8)

Haha there is no magic in panels.   :mrgreen:

It will  be the EICAS panel :mrgreen:
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Shiv Mathur on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 15:53
Gentlemen, you see before you a changed man.  I have seen the light.

So now I have decided to share with you all the photographs from my
last holiday.

If someone can send me their email address .... ?

 :evil:
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 16:08
ha ha shiv, the bangkok one...?

ok so i've uploaded a set of MIP panels connector lists, for those of you who will be wiring your sims for PSX - the order is arranged for interface to FDS SYS and Phidgets (one common for eight pins, etc) but you can adapt to your systems - files are zipped exel - pl check for viruses, don't go blaming me for a meltdown...

http://farrokhchothia.com/mip_charts/


Also, at no extra cost, is a set of pics with lighting layout - what dimmer to what panel set....

and - TQ i/o charts

coming soon to a forum near you is:

Dimmer circuits
Relays
Shivs holiday pics in Pattaya

enjoy the weekend!

fc
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Pierre Theillere on Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:47
Hi, big boys!

Thanks a lot, Farrokh, Shiv, and John for the big laugh... we need more guys like you, who are DOING things for real, without spending (spoiling?) time claiming myths!
I have heard of a big boy in Sydney, who's done a nice moving "toy", never claiming a single time "Promise you will be impressed just need to be patient". He even never claimed it was completed...
Something's odd, but I can't help finding some similarities between Mr Bloke Blake, from Perth, and a guy I had to deal with (for 3 months) at my real job. That one was claiming being an instructor, researcher, telling me he had built a "Full Flight Sim"(sic!) at his University... I finally sorted out all was pure garbage and dreams.
Another good illustration of stealthness from another "well known" guy here is from an artist who's been spending time writing Java code throughout the day for 3 years... but that's another story!
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Sun, 4 Sep 2011 05:34
So the issue is you think my sim is a myth. Why would I even be on the forum anyway.

As well dude you haven't even meet me to compare me to someone else you know.

Time will tell if my sim is for real. Anyway this forum is for 744 related issues.

Farrokh if I give you a few pics of my sim EICAS panel can you put them up for me? I don't have a site yet...

Blake      8)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Sun, 4 Sep 2011 12:20
sure, send em over.....
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Sun, 4 Sep 2011 16:38
My 744 in the works.

http://farrokhchothia.com/blakeweb/

Please be patient for future pics.

Blake.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John Davis PC on Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:29
Thanks Blake .... did you make all the panels yourself ?     I'm guessing you have bought a nose section for your sim by what you say ?   ..... cool

Do you still have your Boeing 767 Sim ?   be perfect to spend that R and R in
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=339427784326&set=a.426400534326.208842.584619326&type=1&theater
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:53
Thank you for those links Mr F, must be up to how many bottle of single malt now?
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Peter Sagar on Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:15
Sorry, I'm a bit late coming in here, but is this the sort of thing being requested?

Peter.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/piaggio_2006/Sim%20Building/B744_overhead_real_scale.jpg)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Blake H on Mon, 12 Sep 2011 03:29
That is the type of drawing we need

Cheers   8)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Lewis Allen on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:50
I too have been hunting for 747-400 cockpit dimensions in order to hopefully design a home cockpit.

I use Google Sketchup to design small projects at home.
http://sketchup.google.com/

While hunting for dimensions I found that someone has provided a 3D Sketchup model of a 747-400.  Have you guys seen this yet?

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=78e45613fb6660a3939e75b12f2e5480

The 3D model is great if it's accurate it may be possible to use as a template for the design of the cockpit section.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Peter Sagar on Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:20
I have a series of cockpit diagrams in .gif format with measurements in either inches or mm. PM me if you would like a set. I am pretty sure these are on Mycockpit.com.

Sample:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/piaggio_2006/Sim%20Building/744_ShellSideElevation_A3_inch.gif)



Peter.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: the mad hatter on Fri, 23 Sep 2011 03:14
thats cool but what about the curvature thats my problem any suggestions and thanks
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Peter Sagar on Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:24
To be honest, I wouldn't worry about the curve. Just approximate it with short flat lines. That seems to be the way FDS builds its cockpits for customers these days. Curves are just way too difficult.

Worry about how it looks on the inside and forget about the outside.  ;)

Peter.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Garry Richards on Sat, 24 Sep 2011 02:42
Quote from: the mad hatterthats cool but what about the curvature thats my problem any suggestions and thanks
You can find the file that Peter referred to, named 747dimension.zip, at
http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/downloads.php?do=cat&id=6&page=3

It includes elevation and plan drawings of the shell.  :D
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: GodAtum on Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:17
anyone know the distance the yokes should be apart from eath other?
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 16 Mar 2015 04:13
No official documents, but hand-measured, the axis of the column is 13.5" from the side of the thrust quadrant (not pedestal). The thrust quadrant is 15" wide. The other column is 13.5" from the other side of the thrust quadrant.

This equates to 13.5 +15 +13.5 = 42"

This should be confirmed independently from other sources, of course. Please note that a PS1 user used my measurements (with my approval) to make some very nice diagrams which have subsequently been circulated on the internet, so other sources may not be as independent as they seem ;)
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: GodAtum on Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:48
Thanks John :) Gary was also kind enough to measure in his sim, he got 112cm.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:18
Interesting. 112cm is 44.09 inches. I'm pretty sure my measurements were not 2 inches in error. Where did  Gary  get his measurements from, I wonder  :?

For interest, the thrust levers are not centered on the quadrant. The levers are offset towards the captain.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:10
P.S. Gary, is the pedestal located in the centre of the aircraft?
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: farrokh747 on Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:24
afaik center to centre of the 2 cols is 42 inches  

40 in for the 737, 727,707

42 for 777 as well i think

fc
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: GodAtum on Tue, 17 Mar 2015 07:14
Quote from: John H WatsonInteresting. 112cm is 44.09 inches. I'm pretty sure my measurements were not 2 inches in error. Where did  Gary  get his measurements from, I wonder  :?

For interest, the thrust levers are not centered on the quadrant. The levers are offset towards the captain.

I believe Gary measured the distance between the centre of the yokes themselves.
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: Gary Oliver on Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:57
I would trust John and Farrokh's measurements of 42 inches.

 I did it again and it's actually 108 between the center points which means I'm within half inch.  I think mine may be a little bit wider apart due to the mechanism.  Anyway no one has noticed yet :). Each yoke is in the middle of the captains PFD.

 You know britjet and macaba are going to turn up to my sim with tape measures next time don't you!! Anyway what's half an inch between friends  ? :shock:

Cheers
Gary
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: John H Watson on Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:04
QuoteI believe Gary measured the distance between the centre of the yokes themselves.

My reference points were also the centre of the yokes : :mrgreen:
Title: 747 measurments
Post by: GodAtum on Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:27
Thanks to everyone for their help  :mrgreen: