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Title: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:27
Good morning all,

the Nav Database Update for the year 2018 (using AIRAC cycle 1803) is now available:

Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018 at Hyway Australia (https://www.hyway.com.au/psx-navdata/)

Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018 at Aviation Megastore (https://www.aviationmegastore.com/aerowinx-nav-database-update-2018-download-version-psx-nav-2018-aerowinx-psx-nav-2018-flight-simulator-download-software/product/?shopid=LH85a941467e416712d68755dc30&action=prodinfo&art=152431)

Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018 at Aerosoft USA (https://www.aerosoft.com/us/flight-simulation/simulators/1431/aerowinx-nav-database-update-2017)

Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018 at Aerosoft Germany (https://www.aerosoft.com/de/flugsimulation/flug-und-atc-simulatoren/1431/aerowinx-nav-database-update)

Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018 at Simware Belgium (https://www.simware.shop/fr/jeux-de-simulation/simulateurs-de-volatc/1431/aerowinx-nav-database-update)


Like the previous update, this new 2018 update too will enable the enhanced weather radar graphics that are available in PSX version 10.0.8 and higher. If you have questions regarding the weather radar, please post them in this thread (http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=3456.msg35362#msg35362).

If your last nav database is older than two years and you are used to the name "Navtech", please note that our database provider is still the same, but they are now part of the Airbus Group and they changed their name to "Navblue".

General info:
Precision Simulator has been, and will be, used by professional customers like universities, schools, airlines etc. For this reason, Navigraph and Aerosoft cannot provide data to PSX as they are not authorized by their suppliers to sell data to professional customers, especially not at entertainment mass market prices. Therefore this service here is independent of the others, and the plan is to provide a database update to PSX users once per year (using the March cycle) to keep the costs as low as possible.


(http://aerowinx.com/assets/pics/AerowinxNaDaUp.jpg)


The database is used by the following components in Precision Simulator:
- Flight Management System
- EGPWS landing-short-of-runway alert (TCF)
- Navaid stations and receivers
- Airport communication radios and receivers
- Voice-ATC and CPDLC simulation
- Voice-ATIS and D-ATIS
- METAR management
- Instructor maps
- Instructor Analysis pages
- Instructor aircraft repositioning tools
- Scenery generator (runways, gates, airport beacons)

System requirement:
Precision Simulator update 10.0.2 or higher: the latest update can be downloaded free of charge (http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?board=6.0).

Database installation:
Don't unzip the downloaded file. Just copy the zip file to the (empty) subfolder Aerowinx/Navigation/-New and restart Precision Simulator. That's all. If you use multiple computers in a local Precision Simulator network, install the file in the same way also on those computers. With one purchased download you are allowed to use up to four database copies within your local network.

Check your new AIRAC cycle number in Precision Simulator:
When the new database is installed, the cycle number "1803" is displayed on the Instructor screen under About/Quit (refer to page 93* of the manual). Ignore the cycle dates on the FMC IDENT page! Those are simulated cycle dates and vary with the simulated time of the year (refer to page 346*); they are intended for FMS training only, and don't refer to the physically installed cycle.

* In the new manual (http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=4270.0), page 93 is now page 100, and page 346 is now page 357.


Thank you for your interest!


Regards,

|-|ardy
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: tango4 on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:59
Up and running !
As usual, many thanks for all your continued efforts.


Charles
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: cavaricooper on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:01
HH-

Purchased and installed- thanks!  This is one of the FEW times I purchase something and feel as though I have received an incredible bargain.  Your constant efforts to move PSX towards perfection are most appreciated.

Best- C
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: G-CIVA on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:07
Thanks Hardy!,  Up & running without any fuss, I'd wager that we as a very small community would pay for this on a six monthly or 3 monthly basis, would either of these be cost effective?

Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:04
Nope.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: 744kid on Mon, 5 Mar 2018 14:07
Installed. Thanks, Hardy.

A reminder to those with a Mac to turn off automatic unzip in Safari preferences, otherwise you won't have a zipped file to install. Every year I forget this step!

Cheers,

744kid
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Aonang on Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:38
Is Aerosoft the only Navdata provider?

I have an account with Navigraph, which I am very happy with, that I have had for a very long time and I don't really want to pay someone else for the same service.
I also think it would be unfair to Navigraph and to myself if I were to change.
Furthermore, my Navigraph data is updated with each AIRAC cycle which is not so with the NavBlue product and that is very much a disadvantage.

Mike
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:34
Note 1:

Aerowinx is not Aerosoft

The data for PSX is provided by Navblue, and Aerowinx converts the data to PSX readable code.


Note 2:

Precision Simulator has been, and will be, used by professional customers like universities, schools, airlines etc. For this reason, Navigraph and Aerosoft cannot provide data to PSX as they are not authorized by their suppliers to sell data to professional customers, especially not at entertainment mass market prices. Therefore this service here is independent of the others, and the plan is to provide a database update to PSX users once per year (using the March cycle) to keep the costs as low as possible.


Airlines pay thousands of dollars for nav data. They are not allowed to use Navigraph's or Aerosoft's low cost entertainment products. Their low price is low because they are restricted to the entertainment market. You own PSX; you own a product that is not in the entertainment category. There is no bureaucratic automation that is able to tell if you operate PSX at home or in an airline building. If you are a PSX owner, you are a professional, so to speak.


Regards,

|-|ardy
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Aonang on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 04:07
I did not say that Aerosoft was Aerowinx, or visa-versa.

I am not a professional customer furthermore, Navigraph would not be selling to Aerowinx but to me so there is no conflict.

It would however require Aerowinx giving Navigraph the format for its Navdata.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 05:18
Is Aerosoft the only Navdata provider?

Aerosoft does not provide nav data to PSX. Therefore the question itself is already wrong.

Only Aerowinx provides nav data to PSX.

It doesn't matter how professional you are. The agreement between all those companies refer to products, not to humans.


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It would however require Aerowinx giving Navigraph the format for its Navdata.

That's not a problem. The problem is not a technical one. It's a business problem. In the past 10 years there have been several intensive discussions between me and Aerosoft and Navigraph and Navblue and Jeppesen, always trying to get the optimal solution. The current status is the final status. Agreements are signed. It's not as simple as you think.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Aonang on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:06
The current situation is not ideal, in fact it is not good, when Navdata is bought at some considerable expense only to be obsolete almost as soon as it is purchased!

Flight planning becomes an even more difficult exercise when the source data used for the planning (PFPX for instance) is not recognised by the data in PSX.

And, as a result, any product of the planning software becomes unusable, particularly more so with time.

Mike
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:20
That's not correct. You're missing an important point.

PFPX generates FMC routes which you can load in the PSX FMC.

The PSX FMC will use the new data of that PFPX generated route, not the old data of the PSX database.

So if you have a PFPX route that contains new airways and new waypoints that don't exist in the current PSX database, PSX will nevertheless load these new airways and new waypoints from that route file into its FMC.

This works with any externally made FMC route, not just with PFPX routes.

PSX's internal database is irrelevant when loading a route file. The route file rules.


|-|ardy
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Aonang on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:55
The problem is that SIDs & STARs are not exported to PSX; as far as PSX is concerned if the required SID or STAR is not in its database PSX assumes a straight line to or from the airport. PSX does not recognise points on SIDs & STARs.
With complex SIDs and STARs, in particular, this is a problem.
The various points of a SID can be entered into the FMC manually, although it can be a PITA, but a STAR is more of a problem as it cannot be predicted which STAR is applicable after a long flight and often the work load on arrival can be too much.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:28
PSX does not recognise points on SIDs & STARs.

Just to be accurate: PSX can recognise SID & STAR waypoints, but PFPX route files contain no SID & STAR waypoints.

Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: CarlBB on Sat, 12 May 2018 10:35
I'm a few months late to the party as usual :) but 100% appreciate this.
Purchased and installed
Thank you !
- Carl
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: United744 on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 23:16
@Aonang: why do you want 28-day updates? If you were to actually look at what changed, you'd be surprised at how few things actually change each month.

A big hint as to whether any SIDs/STARs changed is to look at the revision number (TTREE1, TTREE2, etc..). These probably change once a year, if that.

@Hardy: Thank you as always! :D
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: danpil on Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:03
hello Hardy
I bought Aerowing Nav Data Base update 2018 at Aviation Megastore ...
After installation and restart : the cycle number in the instructor page is always 1503.
What mistake have I done ???
Daniel
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: danpil on Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:21
Hello Hardy
Must I delete the "old" one ?
Daniel
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:46
Hi Daniel,

don't delete anything. Just copy the downloaded ZIP file to Aerowinx/Navigation/-New and then restart PSX.

What did you do? Did you unzip it? Don't open it. Just copy that ZIP file as is.


|-|ardy


P.S.:

Did you download the file several times and your system renamed the original file name like it did here?
http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=2870.msg28814#msg28814

What's the file name of the ZIP file that you're trying to install?
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: danpil on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:57
Hello Hardy
Thank you for your answer!
I deleted NOTHING .
The name of the Zip file is nav1803.zip/I didn't unzip it and did what you said .
When I open the blue navigation folder, I see: on top dark files abb.w.....to ms.w then another blue navigation folder which I open again and see black files abb.w ...to pv.w

That is why I asked you if I can or must delete some files;
For information when I go on the instructor page at about/quit I notice aerowinx precision simulator 10.42 and Navigation data by Navtech,Inc .(cycle 1503)
I don't succeed to get cycle 1803

Hope you can help
Daniel
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:02
Hi Daniel,

in the folder Aerowinx/Navigation/ there are 47 files and 2 subfolders, i.e. 49 objects.

The two subfolders are:

Aerowinx/Navigation/-New
Aerowinx/Navigation/-Old


When you want to install the new nav database, there should be one file in Aerowinx/Navigation/-New

Just one. Not more than one. And that one file is nav1803.zip

So this is what must be set before you start PSX:

Aerowinx/Navigation/-New/nav1803.zip

OK?

When PSX starts, nav1803.zip will be installed automatically, and Aerowinx/Navigation/-New/ will be empty, and the zip file will be archived in the "-Old" subfolder: Aerowinx/Navigation/-Old/nav1803.zip


Regards,

|-|ardy


If you have something like this ...

Aerowinx/Navigation/Navigation/...

... then delete that second Navigation/... and its included files.

In Aerowinx/Navigation/ there should be only two subfolders:

Aerowinx/Navigation/-New
Aerowinx/Navigation/-Old

... and 47 non-folder files.
49 objects in total.


Be sure that your Windows doesn't show the contents of a zip file that isn't actually unzipped, but looks as if it was unzipped. It may be just a preview, generated by Windows.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: danpil on Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:57
hello Hardy
IT WORKS OK.
THANKS A LOT !You're always the BEST.

Just one question:
I would like to see on another screen the landscape..runway..
I've seen in the forum different solutions ...
My computer is a MAC PRO .
I'm ready to buy another computer mac or windows and another screen of course.

What solution do you suggest not to be disappointed?
If you cannot answer because of your position FORGET IT.
Thanks once more
Daniel
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers on Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:50
If you want to hook up what we call a 'scenery generator', a system that flies a virtual camera over a virtual planet so you have the impression that you look out of the window of an aircraft, then you are looking for the various "Visual" extensions. Most are based on P3D (ex-FSX) or X-Plane. You will need to figure out first which of these two you want, which comes with a whole lot of hardware and other recommendations.

Please open a new thread 'Which scenery generator to use?' and start the discussion there. It isn't really simple to do, so spend time on research.


Hoppie
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: jcomm on Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:44
When a former database update ( say one from 2015 ) is used, put inside the "-New" folder, under "Navigation", instead of the lastest made available ( presently nav1803.zip ) are the additional Radar display features available, or are these only activated with the latest edition of the Nav Database ?

Ok, I suppose it'll work for Nav Databases starting at 1603....
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: United744 on Sun, 11 Nov 2018 14:59
SimWare Belgium link takes you to the 2017 nav data, and searching their site, only the 2017 nav data, and PSX itself, is available.

They appear to NOT be selling the 2018 nav data!
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:27
I don't think they're selling the 2017 cycle; they just didn't correctly update their webpage text since their last web site redesign. They are affiliated with Aerosoft Germany, and the latest download file on their server always automatially overwrites the previous version.

I'll ask them to recheck their web text.


|-|ardy
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:26
The SimWare web page now shows the correct text again.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: hohum on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 05:40
why do you want 28-day updates?

@Hardy: Thank you as always! :D

You can't always fly online without an updated AIRAC.   Flying around the PilotEdge coverage area becomes problematic if you're using old navdata.   As an example. the HAWKZ arrival into KSEA has undergone two revisions since the last time Aerowinx published a new cycle.   

I understand it violates Aerowinx's commercial contracts but there should be an option for non-commercial users to use a provider that has 28-day cycles. 

I'm planning a home cockpit project and shopping around for a decent combination of software and supported hardware.   I'm glad I found this thread because building a 744 just got bumped down a bit on my consideration shortlist. 
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 08:08
The keyword is "entertainment", not "commercial". Commercial is everything -- except for freeware.

Unfortunately, you can't get "entertainment" prices and features when you are in a product segment for professionals. The category is determined by the product, not by the type of user.

You may want to think about your priorities: You may get a professional realistic simulator like PSX that is used at airlines for training and allow the current navdata update intervals. Or get a less realistic entertainment simulator and buy monthly navdata updates for entertainment market prices. If online ATC is your primary focus, I recommend to not buy PSX.

There is one feature, however, you shouldn't overlook: In PSX you can load FMC routes that have been generated by PFPX or Simbrief. When those programs use current navdata, their generated route includes current navdata as well. And that route data is then used in PSX too.


Regards,

|-|ardy
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: hohum on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:52
The keyword is "entertainment", not "commercial". Commercial is everything -- except for freeware.

Unfortunately, you can't get "entertainment" prices and features when you are in a product segment for professionals. The category is determined by the product, not by the type of user.

This isn't true at all.   For example, while a bit more expensive of a product, the ProSim-AR 737 has support for Navigraph data.

Or get a less realistic entertainment simulator and buy monthly navdata updates for entertainment market prices. If online ATC is your primary focus, I recommend to not buy PSX.

These two things don't need to be mutually exclusive.   There are plenty of home cockpit projects capable of connecting to live ATC networks. 

There is one feature, however, you shouldn't overlook: In PSX you can load FMC routes that have been generated by PFPX or Simbrief. When those programs use current navdata, their generated route includes current navdata as well. And that route data is then used in PSX too.

And what do I do if ATC switches my runway assignment on me or puts me on a different procedure en-route?   I can't very well walk back to the instructor station and load a new PFPX route plan while I'm trying to fly an airplane.   

By your own words, you're aiming for realism, not entertainment.    For some people, part of that includes real-world procedures and realistic ATC interaction.   PE really is more of a training environment than it is meant for home entertainment use. 

I personally wouldn't mind paying extra, even hundreds of dollars, for the ability to use 28-day AIRAC cycles.   If anything, PSX is currently underpriced for what it is.    Software is usually the least expensive part of a hardware simulator.   
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:12
As far as I understand it, Prosim737 is a non-stand-alone program that depends on Microsoft Flight Simulator or Lockheed Martin Prepar3D. Is that correct?

PSX is a stand-alone simulator. I could remove 50% of its features, and make it an add-on product for the Microsoft Games department. Then I may get a contract with Navigraph or Aerosoft.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: tango4 on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:04
Would it be possible to imagine a "dual" database option, where the "entertainment" database would be limited to home use ?
What I mean is:
-IF you are using PSX in a professional way, then you HAVE to use a NavBlue database
-IF you are a home user you can choose either navblue OR Navigraph. But as long as a Navigraph one is installed you are RESTRICTED to a home use.


But I am by no means an expert in legal matters so I don't know if it is even possible.


Charles
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: beat578 on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:11
I don't think that would be possible Charles
As far as I see, the Simulator has the possibility to serve as a professional simulator. Thats enought to be handled like that. Else Hardy would be forced to give out two versions, as he said, one stripped and a full one.
Or he would hire a team of people managing different licences, checking if you really could apply for a "game DB Licence" or not, ending in administration instead of devloping... I don't think that's really what we want.

I can see that if you fly online a lot it would be interesting to be more accurate. But I don't see any way to get that be done with PSX. Mabe: If there would be a tracker of what really changed in Database in since the installed circle, it would help online simmers to check how accurate their chards are? So you can fly around critical airports then?
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:21
beat578 is right.

It's not possible to sell the same orange at different prices and licenses. Nobody can check if the orange eater is dancing or learning. Either you get an apple or an orange. Two products, two prices, two licenses.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: tango4 on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:44
Understood Hardy.


And personally I do not fly online.
The main reason I'd like to get such an update would be to have my charts in sync with my sim.
The problem I have with my charts is that navigraph (or aerosoft) chart subscription are cloud based, which means I am forced to use the latest cycle. For me if they gave me the option to revert charts to PSX cycle that would be perfect.
But at the moment I do not know of a legal way to buy a given charts cycle.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: hohum on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:07
PSX is a stand-alone simulator. I could remove 50% of its features, and make it an add-on product for the Microsoft Games department. Then I may get a contract with Navigraph or Aerosoft.

So the issue is Navigraph and Aerosoft only license their data for X-Plane and ESP-platform sims?   

Then what would it take to get Navblue to release data more often?   
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Gary Oliver on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:14
HoHum,

As a fellow Sim Builder (www.simfest.co.uk / www.twitch.tv/simfestuk) who has written and used other 'Home Cockpit' software for several simulators I have been involved in building can I add an opinion?

I would not even bother to build another simulator not running PSX, I would have gone even more grey than I have already.

I also fly online at least twice a week and agree the AIRAC cycle is a bit of a faff on the SID/STAR front, however when surrounded by a simulator that runs for 24 hours for 7 days a week, that actually flies like a 747, with PSX then it really doesn't matter.

If every time an instance of P3D crashed I lost the whole Sim I would have given up by now.

I'm sure the others on the forum who have struggled with other software will chime in here too but that's probably worthy of its own thread.

Regarding Nav database updates... I am sure there are enough of us who would form a mini consortium to fund more update cycles if Hardy is able to support the extra processing of the navigation data.  Out of interest is this something you would be interested in discussing offline Hardy?

Cheers
G
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Hardy Heinlin on Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:45
This is something I wouldn't be interested in discussing, Gary. I would just repeat what I always repeat :-)


Cheers,

|-|ardy
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: jcomm on Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:40
Airlinetools uses LIDO, but I don't really know what type of contract they have.

At their site they have:

+ after 12 months a yearly fee of 40 CHF for 13 LIDO FMS NAV Database ARINC cycles. (FlightDeck will also continue to run with outdated FMGS database)

I don't know under which "hat" Airlinetools classifies - professional / leisure ?

ELITE sells the GPS database updates for around CHF 367,00... a lot more expensive...
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: beat578 on Tue, 8 Jan 2019 13:00
JCOMM, Elite is (like PSX) a professional IFR Trainer, aimed for becoming realworld pilots and certified by EASA and the FAA. If you take into account how many People use ELITE and see, that one GPS Update still costs over 300 Euros, you could imagine what it would mean for the PSX community with (what I think) smaller userbase.

I think, the once a year update is the best and still affordable way of having updates at all and still not have to pay huge amounts for them.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Markus Vitzethum on Tue, 8 Jan 2019 13:16
I've seen this discussion multiple times by now. To my experience, it almost always begins with "I cannot fly online on network X or Y".

But as long as I fly online (20 years now), I've never ever seen that the complete network breaks down because of NavData not being up-to-date. Personally, I don't believe that monthly upgrades to NavData solve every conceivable problem with flying online, for a few reasons:

- on most networks, there is a wide variety of pilot experience when it comes to IFR route planning. You'll find everything from GPS-direct, to pilots flying VOR to VOR, up to Eurocontrol CFMU validated top-notch flight plans. Things are much better than a few years ago due to better tools (PFPX), more experience and better training, but still: all the networks I know do a lot to support less experienced pilots or to fix less-than-perfect flight plans. Or cater for pilots without charts, without latest NavData etc...

- in most cases, the changes from one revision to next months revision are minor, e.g. the SID changes from GIVMI4W to GIVMI5W. The SID/STAR entry/exit remain the same. I think I can handle that. (And I do a lot in PSX. I'm happy with that.)

- Yes, in some cases, something more fundamental changes, but you can always get the current complete SID or STAR into PSX using e.g. PFPX route export. This won't help you with late changes but more often than not, I'm under radar vectors anyway.

- Generally, in most cases, traffic density on online networks is not high compared to real life. So ATC will be able to help you, accept your outdated NavData, or just vector you anyway. In high traffic situations (Worldflight) it might be different, but ATC will usually be able to resolve it.

Finally, people always seem to worry about some missing STAR X or a changed SID Y. But you have to consider that more things change in the real world which cannot be updated by a Navigraph update. Typically, these are runways or runway lengths.
E.g. there are dozens of runways, say, in China, that are not present in the visual FSX/P3D database (e.g. 03/21 in ZUCK, 12L/30R in ZHCC, 06/24 in ZSHC). PANC has a 1500' runway extension done in 2011, ... In many cases, runway changes are not done in add-ons in many years, e.g. the KORD layout is completely outdated, even with add-ons. Yet, most people don't seem to care about updates. They know it might take long to fix it, so they accept the fact and just adjust their procedures... why not also with NavData?

Markus

p.s.
Basically, been there, seen that, since I used to supply PS1.3 with NavData updates from 2001 to 2005. I believe that I gained experience (for me) about what can change and how it is operationally relevant.

Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: jcomm on Tue, 8 Jan 2019 13:26
Although I have mentioned ELITE and Airlinetools above, the only reason I buy the yearly updates for PSX is to get the additional features that are enabled when we install those databases.

In more than 25 yrs playing flight simulation, and apart from PFPX, long ago Jeppesen SimCharts, and recently a 1 month subscription of Navigraph, I never spent any money in this type of products.

I am more than good with the way it works in PSX. Actually I'm only interested in the "additional features" enabled by those databases :-)
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Martin B on Tue, 8 Jan 2019 20:40
I hope to be flying online again soon. Presumably if I’m asked to do an approach which isn’t in the database (but for which I have the charts) I can still fly it with help from 2 VOR receivers, 2 NDB receivers and the fix page? Sounds like a lot of fun to me!
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: Roddez on Tue, 8 Jan 2019 21:44
- Generally, in most cases, traffic density on online networks is not high compared to real life. So ATC will be able to help you, accept your outdated NavData, or just vector you anyway. In high traffic situations (Worldflight) it might be different, but ATC will usually be able to resolve it.

Good point Markus, Worldflight happens in November and Hardy's Nav Cycle update is in March...  We all find a way to manage.  ;D

Rod.
Title: Re: Aerowinx Nav Database Update 2018
Post by: turbodiddley on Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:11
I just purchased and installed via the Aviation Megastore.

Works perfectly. My Jeppesen plates match.

Danke schoen, Hardy!